# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1283 "2021-10-15T05:35:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Feeling too lazy to look up what the hell “dweomer” means. From context, I’m guessing that it’s the colored aura-thingy that you see around a caster’s hand when he’s casting? > > ETA: If I’m wrong, I’d appreciate correction. Either way, I’d appreciate someone telling me where the word came from. Your guess is correct. It’s a word Gygax came up with, I thought from some old book on magick. Looking it up on Wikipedia, I find > [@](#): > > [Gary Gygax](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gygax) encountered the [Middle English](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_English) word _dweomercræft_ in Susan Kelz Sperling’s book _Poplollies & Bellibones: A Celebration of Lost Words_ (1977), where it is defined as “the art of magic or juggling.” Gygax invented such derivations as _dweomered_ , _dweomercræfter_ , and _dweomercræfting_ .[_[citation needed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)_ ] ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1284 "2021-10-15T18:16:03Z")
V got zapped but it looks as though Sunny pointed its anti-magic ray down the tunnel so maybe it doesn’t matter. Prediction: Elan is trapped in the room by Sunny and they hit it off, possibly being the key factor to Serini assisting them. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1285 "2021-11-01T13:12:10Z")
**Lurking Below** [https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1247.html](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1247.html) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1286 "2021-11-01T13:20:33Z")
_I_ care, Belkar. I care a lot. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1287 "2021-11-01T13:21:24Z")
It looks like the dungeon is going to be full of Gygax’s stupid old-school high-annoyance-factor low-roleplay-value monsters - piercers, lurkers, mimics etc. Sunny seems to be the only one with a personality. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1288 "2021-11-01T14:09:15Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > _I_ care, Belkar. I care a lot. Me too! I do like it when he finds loopholes or just ignores the rules. It’s fun to read the comments and just watch it unfold! @MrDibble , That does seem to be the direction it is going. Also, low treasure if I remember correct. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1289 "2021-11-01T16:06:36Z")
I just wanted to add that when I called them “stupid” and " high-annoyance-factor", I meant to encounter as a player. I imagine they’re ripe with comedy possibilities a-la the Flumph. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1290 "2021-11-01T16:41:01Z")
We still need the floor version of the Lurker Above (Trapper?), Stun Jelly, Cloaker and maybe a Gas Spore. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1291 "2021-11-01T16:48:31Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > We still need the floor version of the Lurker Above (Trapper?) Yes, Trapper. > [@Jophiel](#): > > Stun Jelly I’m not familiar with that one. > [@Jophiel](#): > > Cloaker It would definitely fit the theme, but I’m not sure how it would be worked in. A black cloak just hanging around in a dungeon is going to be a bit conspicuous. > [@Jophiel](#): > > maybe a Gas Spore. Since we’ve already had a Beholder, which the Order is now primed to shoot at first and ask questions about later, that seems very likely. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1292 "2021-11-01T16:48:39Z")
**Blood for the flumph god!** (Obscure _Full Frontal Nerdity_ quote) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1293 "2021-11-01T16:51:59Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > I’m not familiar with that one. Essentially a Gelatinous Cube disguised as a dungeon wall. Get too close and it nabs you with its paralyzing tendrils and pulls you in to eat ya. Think it was a 1st edition only critter. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1294 "2021-11-01T17:04:22Z")
Looking it up, it looks like it was one of the obscure critters from the 1E _Fiend Folio_, turned up as part of the consolidated “Oozes, Slimes, and Jellies” entry in the 2E _Monstrous Compendium_, then wound up in the OGL and got published in 3E and 5E by a third party publisher. A Gelatinous Cube also seems like a definite contender - a headlong rush to catch Serini seems like it could easily wind up with someone running or flying right into one without seeing it. And the various oozes, slimes, and jellies are on-theme. I _think_ that was a vial of Green Slime, not just randomly green acid, that Serini threw at them. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1295 "2021-11-01T17:33:24Z")
I’d expect a gelatinous cube before a lot of those others. It’s a classic, like a beholder. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1296 "2021-11-01T21:04:30Z")
Coincidentally, [Full Frontal Nerdity](http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=2323) is also currently dealing with trappers and lurkers above. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1297 "2021-11-01T22:36:11Z")
@Chronos Thanks! That was fun catching up on FFN! And yes to 1E monsters making a comeback! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1298 "2021-11-01T23:31:09Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > We still need the floor version of the Lurker Above (Trapper?) > [@gdave](#): > > Yes, Trapper. _Lurkers above, Trappers below_ was the mnemonic, kind of like the one(s) for stalactites and stalagmites. And just like Belkar, my cleric carried a dagger with her – no edged weapons be damned in those situations. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1299 "2021-11-16T15:50:29Z")
1248 - [More Basic Than Cantrips](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1248.html) I wonder if the area Serini went to is where the Paladins are. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1300 "2021-11-16T15:53:52Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > We still need the floor version of the Lurker Above (Trapper?), Ask, and ye shall receive. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1301 "2021-11-16T16:02:06Z")
Free obvious internet points for me! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1302 "2021-11-16T16:06:38Z")
“See you soon, Sunshine!” Which means Serini is expecting them to pass that wall and it’s a trap. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=66)