# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/141 "2020-04-04T19:54:25Z")
I Decided now was a good time to sign up for his patreon. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/142 "2020-04-04T23:19:48Z")
Yup. “My name is Mouse and I am a Good Dog. Everyone says so.” ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/143 "2020-04-05T00:40:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > How the Paladin Got his Scar (which, yes, is an excellent story, well worth the price). Without going into too much detail, there’s interaction between O-Chul and the hobgoblin we’d seen online as Redcloak’s predecessor as Supreme Leader. I wouldn’t say that the interaction was exactly “friendly”, but it was at least diplomatic. It’s never been confirmed, but I suspect that that hobgoblin was Jirix. I’d be very surprised if it was Jirix. If nothing else, Redcloak must have defeated the previous Supreme Leader in order to take command of the hobgobblins and I expect that defeat=kill in this context. Also, the Spreme Leader in the O-Chul story was significantly more corpulent than Jirix and the one that Redcloak defeated, so I’m going to guess there are three different hobgobblin Supreme Leaders here. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/144 "2020-04-05T09:14:51Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > I’d be very surprised if it was Jirix. If nothing else, Redcloak must have defeated the previous Supreme Leader in order to take command of the hobgobblins and I expect that defeat=kill in this context. Also, the Spreme Leader in the O-Chul story was significantly more corpulent than Jirix and the one that Redcloak defeated, so I’m going to guess there are three different hobgobblin Supreme Leaders here. The guy Redcloak vanquished was just a run-of-the-mill hobgoblin cleric. [https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0149.html](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0149.html) And I THINK the actual Supreme Leader had different lower teeth than Jirix. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/145 "2020-04-05T09:56:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The guy Redcloak vanquished was just a run-of-the-mill hobgoblin cleric. > > [149 Cultural Differences - Giant in the Playground Games](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0149.html) > > And I THINK the actual Supreme Leader had different lower teeth than Jirix. That’s true of the guy he vanquished on-screen. The real Supreme Leader shows up after that. But in the next strip, Redcloak is now the Supreme Leader, so he must have defeated the real Leader off-screen. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/146 "2020-04-05T13:17:34Z")
The real Supreme Leader effectively ceded his title peacefully. The whole point of that strip is that he’s not correcting Redcloak’s mistake as to who the Supreme Leader is, because he’d rather let Redcloak have the job than die for it. And the corpulent guy in HtPGhS died before the end of the story, to be replaced by a hobgoblin cleric of normal build. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/147 "2020-04-09T11:53:51Z")
New strip [https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1199.html](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1199.html) ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/148 "2020-04-09T12:51:05Z")
Forgot I was going to reply to this: > [@Chronos](#): > > The real Supreme Leader effectively ceded his title peacefully. The whole point of that strip is that he’s not correcting Redcloak’s mistake as to who the Supreme Leader is, because he’d rather let Redcloak have the job than die for it. That’s not how I interpreted those last panels. Instead I saw it as a standard comedy trope where someone thinks they’ve vanquished the Boss, whereas they’ve just defeated a henchman. The real Boss lets them think that way for a while for comedic reasons. I tried to find a tvtropes for this. The closest I could find is [Trick Boss](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrickBoss). > [@](#): > > And the corpulent guy in HtPGhS died before the end of the story, to be replaced by a hobgoblin cleric of normal build. Yes, forgot that. He looks like the one wearing the Supreme Leader paraphernalia in strip 149. Note that Redcloak never wore that paraphernalia, nor has Jerix. In fact, that’s a clue that Jerix is probably not the one from 149. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/149 "2020-04-09T12:56:10Z")
Redcloak never wore it because he didn’t know that it was the paraphernalia of supreme leadership, and the previous wearer (whether it was Jirix or not) stopped wearing it because he didn’t want any ambiguity about who was now in charge, since ambiguity would lead to his death. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/150 "2020-04-09T13:13:49Z")
My point about Jerix not wearing it is that he didn’t _after_ Redcloak left. So he’s probably not the one who was wearing it before Redcloak took charge. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/151 "2020-04-09T15:34:09Z")
I know that Burlew has often avoided having “special” strips to mark the hundred strip intervals. But I’m wondering if the current series of expositional strips is a set-up for a dramatic surprise in the next strip, which will be #1200. If so, my guess is the MITD teleports to the airship to ask the group for help in rescuing O-Chul. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/152 "2020-04-09T15:39:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I know that Burlew has often avoided having “special” strips to mark the hundred strip intervals. But I’m wondering if the current series of expositional strips is a set-up for a dramatic surprise in the next strip, which will be #1200. > > If so, my guess is the MITD teleports to the airship to ask the group for help in rescuing O-Chul. It would have to know he was captured. Does MITD even know that O-Chul is nearby? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/153 "2020-04-09T16:47:42Z")
If we _are_ going to get a special strip for #1200, I think it’s more likely we jump to O-Chul and Lien and find out who captured them. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/154 "2020-04-09T18:10:18Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > It would have to know he was captured. Does MITD even know that O-Chul is nearby? He knows two humans [were almost](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1037.html) caught by Oona (but they “fell in drink”), and that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/155 "2020-04-17T14:42:54Z")
[1200: Contactless Deliberations](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1200.html) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/156 "2020-04-17T15:06:51Z")
Wow. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/157 "2020-04-17T15:27:38Z")
I like that plan, actually. It’s a bummer they won’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/158 "2020-04-17T16:23:48Z")
Yeah, it wouldn’t necessarily cost them surprise, since Sending works anywhere on the entire plane. All it would give away is that they’re interested in Redcloak (which he already knows), not that they’re right on his doorstep. If anything, it’d be more likely to give the impression that they’re further away. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/159 "2020-04-17T17:50:15Z")
Wouldn’t Redcloak be likely to have some sort of abjuration that blocks spells like Sending and Clairvoyance, in order to prevent an enemy from finding out where he is? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/160 "2020-04-17T18:04:13Z")
Yeah, that’s true. How long ago did he leave Azure City? Would the Cloister still be in effect? Also, strip 1200 doesn’t seem to be there any more. Anyone else seeing this, or just me? edit - and now it’s back [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=9)