# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1644 "2022-12-16T18:51:21Z")
So when was Blood-Feast let out of the Bag of Holding? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1645 "2022-12-16T19:13:16Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > So when was Blood-Feast let out of the Bag of Holding? [https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1241.html](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1241.html) ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1646 "2022-12-16T19:17:24Z")
Thank you. I knew someone would have a better memory about that than me. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1647 "2022-12-16T19:21:16Z")
Actually, I had to skim backwards until I found it. It was only a few strips ago, but also several months. Easy to forget details when the updates are glacial. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1648 "2022-12-16T21:14:36Z")
And did anyone else notice that Bloodfeast is right next to an antimagic cone? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1649 "2022-12-17T17:43:17Z")
I don’t actually know what an antimagic cone is. Are you talking about Sunny’s eye rays in 1241? If so, then yes I noticed. Belkar is specifically trying to get him into the ray. Pretty obvious. If you mean the latest strip, then you’ll have to explain. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1650 "2022-12-17T19:10:59Z")
Yes, Sunny’s central eye produces an antimagic cone. That’s what Serini and Sunny use to open doors in their magical stone walls, and you can see the cone shining out of the opening (it makes everything in it look greyscale). ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1651 "2022-12-17T19:11:49Z")
Sunny uses his anti-magic eye rays to open the door to the secret hideout. So it’s coming out the round hole in the wall there. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1652 "2022-12-18T02:55:42Z")
That makes sense. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1653 "2022-12-18T03:53:16Z")
OK, question: What effect would Sunny’s anti-magic eye have on Xykon and/or Redcloak? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1654 "2022-12-18T09:43:49Z")
The main thing is that they wouldn’t be able to cast spells. It would also suppress any ongoing spells they have, such as the Overland Flight that Xykon casts on himself every day. Also any buff spells that Redcloak cast before the battle would be suppressed. Since the two are primarily spell casters, it would pretty much neuter them in most battles. Of course, it would also suppress magic effects of any attacks by the Order, such as Haley’s freezing arrows and Roy’s sword’s green glow. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1655 "2022-12-18T11:02:44Z")
Why wouldn’t it disrupt Xykon’s continued existence, seeing as how that’s being maintained by his phylactery? (And he only _thinks_ it’s in his storage unit on the Astral Plane.) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1656 "2022-12-18T11:12:43Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Why wouldn’t it disrupt Xykon’s continued existence, seeing as how that’s being maintained by his phylactery? Not according to RAW. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1657 "2022-12-18T14:41:33Z")
So when O-Chul tried to destroy it, and said “No more lich, then,” he was mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1658 "2022-12-18T14:44:16Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > So when O-Chul tried to destroy it, and said “No more lich, then,” he was mistaken?. If he just hit it with a stick until it broke, then as you say, he is wrong (but I don’t know if liches can make new phylacteries in this canon, it’s kinda up in the air; if not Xykon would be killable going forward. If he threw it in the rift, though? I believe it was Xykon who said, he has no idea what would happen, but he doesn’t want to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1659 "2022-12-18T15:01:31Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > So when O-Chul tried to destroy it, and said “No more lich, then,” he was mistaken? Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. The point is that lich phylacteries are not considered magic items, and are thus not affected by anti-magic effects. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1660 "2022-12-19T18:18:35Z")
Putting aside Xykon’s ongoing existence, what about Redcloak’s? It’s been stablished that he has lived longer than the typical Goblin due to the effects of his cloak. If the cloak’s magic was shut off, would Redcloak just begin aging at a normal rate? Or would he immediately physically age up to his chronological age? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1661 "2022-12-19T20:20:17Z")
Would depend entirely on the description of the magic item. If it just keeps him from aging (or slows it to 10%, etc) then I’d expect that Redcloak would age at a normal rate when the cloak is removed/suppressed but that’s all. I would expect it to be like this. Items that would instantly undo an effect like that are pretty rare. Way back in the day, 1e had the Potion of Longevity that removed something like 1d10 years each time you drank one but with the growing chance that the next Potion of Longevity would undo every previous potion. I think that, by 3.5, it was just that each one had the chance to age you by 1d6 years instead for that specific potion. Redcloak himself would be in trouble in an anti-magic field. He doesn’t seem nearly as combat capable as Durkon (does RC even carry a weapon?) and, although he has the hit points and attack rolls that come with being a high level cleric, I wouldn’t see him lasting long in a physical fight against Roy, Haley or perhaps even Durkon (lower level but probably more strength and constitution). I wouldn’t be surprised if Sunny’s role in any fight quickly involves an arrow/dirt to the main eye. Just too much of a game changer. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1662 "2022-12-19T20:36:16Z")
Actually, a [lich’s phylactery](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lich.htm#theLichsPhylactery) is a magic item, and so would be suppressed by an antimagic field. But the only effect of that would be to prevent the lich from reviving while it’s in the field. The phylactery isn’t necessary for the lich’s continued existence. And an [Antimagic Field](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/antimagicField.htm) doesn’t do anything against corporeal undead. Sunny’s eye would, in fact, be quite useful in the final battle, since the Order as a whole is much less dependent on magic than Xykon and Redcloak are. Team Evil does have some potential counters, though: The Crimson Mantle (Redcloak’s cloak) is not just a magic item, but an artifact, and Xykon has the capability to cast at least a few epic spells, both of which would be unaffected by mortal magic like a beholder’s eye. We don’t yet know either all of the properties of the Crimson Mantle, nor the full list of epic spells that Xykon has, so how relevant this will be, we can’t say. Of note, Monster-San’s umbrella is also magic, and presumably not an artifact, so an anti-magic field would turn off the magical darkness that continually shrouds him, and thus reveal him in all his monstrous glory. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1663 "2023-01-18T15:09:20Z")
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