# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/181 "2009-03-03T11:16:36Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > In the link I provided, V does good for the sake of doing good. He doesn’t care if he alienates Belkar, but he does care if he upsets Elan. There are lots more examples. I don’t buy buy V being purely neutral. Maybe he kind of likes Elan but thinks Belkar is a dick. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/182 "2009-03-03T11:18:23Z")
Even Hitler loved his dogs - by which I mean, even a CE maniac can have friends he cares about. That’s what makes the built-in absolutism of alignment systems silly. Thank Eru _Rolemaster_ didn’t use alignment. BTW, I read the exchange with the fiends as being they get V’s soul for however long after he dies. Does anyone else think he’s going to hold on to one splice longer than the others? I bet it’s the sorcerer-archmage. I think he has the best irritant potential for V. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/183 "2009-03-03T11:37:18Z")
In fairness, Hitler’s dogs were Chaotic Neutral. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/184 "2009-03-03T14:28:48Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > BTW, I read the exchange with the fiends as being they get V’s soul for however long after he dies. In the context of the conversation, maybe, but these are fiends we’re talking about. You’ll note that they never specified that they get V’s soul after she dies, and assuming that they’re following the rules of discourse is not a good plan. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/185 "2009-03-03T14:36:16Z")
> [@Silophant](#): > > I don’t have a link right now, because the site’s being all slow and stuff, but Belkar’s hallucination with Shojo not too long ago makes it pretty clear he’s CE. Actually, you can go back farther to [Roy’s afterlife interview](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0489.html). Belkar’s canonically Chaotic Evil, about half a kilonazi judging from the graph. > [@Jragon](#): > > (there’s a wonderful book I’m trying to find called Villains By Necessity where the world has finally been taken by good and evil is almost nonexistent, a druid senses the balance of the universe deteriorating which is necessarily going to cause the end of the world so he rounds up a gang of vagabonds to wreak havoc and cause general mayhem in order to save the world). I love that book; I wish I had a copy myself. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/186 "2009-03-03T15:30:49Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I love that book; I wish I had a copy myself. Amazon has some used copies, if you feel like spending $30 on a used paperback which would have originally cost you $5. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/187 "2009-03-04T03:36:03Z")
[This](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0635.html)… does not look like it will end well… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/188 "2009-03-04T03:38:01Z")
Oooooh, but V looks gooooooood in black. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/189 "2009-03-04T03:50:41Z")
I’m predicting that V kills his own family when her mate is critical of this decision. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/190 "2009-03-04T04:27:33Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [This](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0635.html)… does not look like it will end well… :eek: Oh…my. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/191 "2009-03-04T08:56:28Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Actually, you can go back farther to [Roy’s afterlife interview](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0489.html). Belkar’s canonically Chaotic Evil, about half a kilonazi judging from the graph. I never noticed that the graph was quantified. Nice touch. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/192 "2009-03-04T10:50:14Z")
Oh, yes. O Fortuna and _all_. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/193 "2009-03-04T11:24:16Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Oh, yes. O Fortuna and _all_. Good point. Read the comic with that playing in the background, volume high. It wroks, at least for the first panel. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/194 "2009-03-04T15:05:31Z")
O Fortuna isn’t faux Latin! …is it? ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/195 "2009-03-04T15:32:00Z")
No, O Fortuna is real Latin. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/196 "2009-03-04T15:34:23Z")
Maybe it was Bib Fortuna. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/197 "2009-03-04T15:58:28Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Maybe it was Bib Fortuna. Not enough tentacles. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/198 "2009-03-04T16:49:38Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > I’m predicting that V kills his own family when her mate is critical of this decision. Or V destroys the dragon with such a massive burst of magical energy that it destroys the house and everyone in it as well. The dragon doesn’t destroy V’s family; V does. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/199 "2009-03-04T16:53:16Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > Or V destroys the dragon with such a massive burst of magical energy that it destroys the house and everyone in it as well. The dragon doesn’t destroy V’s family; V does. For the record, yeronner, I called this on page 3. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/200 "2009-03-04T16:58:23Z")
Killing his family accidentally would cause V some serious despair, but it wouldn’t lead to damnation in quite the same way that killing them on purpose would. So, no, it won’t be an accident: V will kill her family on purpose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=11)