# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1981 "2009-07-09T15:37:45Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > FIVE Good dragons killed for each Black dragon dead? > > :eek: > > I’ll say it some more: > > :eek::eek::eek: They say Tiamat is the Mother of evil dragons. I say she’s just a Mother. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1982 "2009-07-09T16:52:22Z")
> [@the orange fiend](#): > > It wasn’t a perfect plan. We only wanted the lich roughed up, not destroyed. Apparently Vaarsuvius’s attack on Xykon was more successful than any of us realized. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1983 "2009-07-09T17:19:57Z")
> [@](#): > > My guess is that we’ll have at least one “dun dun DUN” scene where we see Xykon (or maybe Nale or the three fiends) launching some villainous plan. Just to set things up for the next arc. What he said. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1984 "2009-07-10T06:24:32Z")
Nice! A good way of reminding us that the Linear Guild is still out there and now directly involved in the conflict over the Gates. Also, interesting that Tiamet seems to be placing the responsibility for the death of the black dragons squarely where it belongs: on the fiends who set up the soul splice, not on Vaarsuvius. (Not to say that she wouldn’t express her displeasure all over V if the chance arises, but she seems to know who is actually responsible.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1985 "2009-07-16T13:51:10Z")
[New comic is up (#669).](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0669.html) When I saw Roy waxing philosophical about the differences between mortals and elementals, I thought the title “Logical Conclusions” would foreshadow a breakup with Celia. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1986 "2009-07-16T14:25:35Z")
That was a change of pace. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1987 "2009-07-16T14:31:19Z")
I thought the title “Logical Conclusions” was an allusion to the fact that it is the logical place to conclude this book. … Which obviously leaves out the expected splashpage, quickcuts to Xykon’s/Linear Guild’s/others’s plans, etc. _And_ manages to fall on a # that isn’t going to be considered “significant” like 666 or 650 or something. I think Rich does this stuff just to mess with his forumites, really. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1988 "2009-07-16T15:33:37Z")
Roy may have a fighter’s INT, but he’s pretty good in WIS. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1989 "2009-07-16T15:37:32Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > Roy may have a fighter’s INT, but he’s pretty good in WIS. I thought Roy had an high INT? That mindflayer went after him in preference of V didn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1990 "2009-07-16T15:41:02Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I thought Roy had an high INT? That mindflayer went after him in preference of V didn’t it? High Int and Wis, since Durkon has high Wis and low Int, and V vice-versa, but the flayer didn’t want either of them. It’s long been my suspicion that when Roy was born, he rolled 16s or 18s for all his stats. He’s got the Str and Con a Fighter needs, presumably decent Dex too, he’s clearly got good Wis and Int (though his primary flaw is that he knows he does and overestimates himself), and he’s also got excellent Charisma, since all the Order likes him and follows him. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1991 "2009-07-16T15:49:26Z")
Well, all the “We hate Celia” people should be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1992 "2009-07-16T19:05:31Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > High Int and Wis, since Durkon has high Wis and low Int, and V vice-versa, but the flayer didn’t want either of them. > > It’s long been my suspicion that when Roy was born, he rolled 16s or 18s for all his stats. He’s got the Str and Con a Fighter needs, presumably decent Dex too, he’s clearly got good Wis and Int (though his primary flaw is that he knows he does and overestimates himself), and he’s also got excellent Charisma, since all the Order likes him and follows him. I actually rolled a character like that once. 3 6 sided dice, in order, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 16. It was one of the most depressing things I have ever done. He was an NPC henchman for a paladin PC. So I gave him a bitter, depressing personality, because his dream in life was to be a paladin, but he just didn’t have the leadership ability they required. 😃 Drove the player crazy for a few years with that one. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1993 "2009-07-16T20:23:13Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > I actually rolled a character like that once. 3 6 sided dice, in order, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 16. It was one of the most depressing things I have ever done. He was an NPC henchman for a paladin PC. So I gave him a bitter, depressing personality, because his dream in life was to be a paladin, but he just didn’t have the leadership ability they required. 😃 Drove the player crazy for a few years with that one. 😃 Ah, yes. I also saddled a PC with an absurdly competent, but extremely despondent and snarky manservant. On purpose, because that guy had min/maxed the crap out of his character, and got a manservant specifically to counterbalance his weaknesses. I obliged him. It still drives him nuts 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1994 "2009-07-16T20:56:47Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It still drives him nuts 😃 Hasn’t figured out that _he’s_ Bertie Wooster, then? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1995 "2009-07-17T01:34:46Z")
You know that Roy’s Player was playing Cecilia while Roy was dead, right? That’s why she has to go. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1996 "2009-07-17T06:35:27Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > You know that Roy’s Player was playing Cecilia while Roy was dead, right? That’s why she has to go. So Roy was gettin’ sweaty on Roy? That is a demented DM. 😉 Plus Roy doesn’t have that good of a Dex, he missed all the shit Haley and Miko dodged, and took all of the traps, his dex is 12 at most. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1997 "2009-07-18T01:58:19Z")
You know, there’s a much simpler and more logical explanation for Celia’s worldview than the mechanics of the afterlife. It’s also really simple: She’s Chaotic Good, from a plane of Chaotic Good creatures. The average denzien of the plane of Air is weakly Good and Chaotically aligned. Because the thing is, we’ve seen plenty of Outsiders quite willing to get their murder on. They’re all Evil. And that’s about the shape of things in OotS-verse. As much as it’s lampshaded and glossed over, Evil creatures do evil things, and Good creatures do good things. ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1998 "2009-07-18T02:25:55Z")
Um, Celia is a _paralegal_. No matter what the average denizen of the plane of air is, she’s lawful good. That’s why she gets along so poorly with Chaotic Haley and Belkar. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1999 "2009-07-18T02:28:54Z")
Celia’s a sylph, right? Sylphs are, in game, True Neutral. Celia herself may be lawful good…that’s her individual prerogative, but her “people” aren’t Chaotic Good. ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/2000 "2009-07-18T02:50:30Z")
I think Rich might also play the card of Roy telling her if she stays and gets into danger, he’ll get killed again trying to protect her. On her own plane she’s safe … ish. If the universe doesn’t implode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=99) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=101)