# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/301 "2009-03-19T21:57:59Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m not positive that it’s V’s magic that pink so much as a most magic in the series is pink. Every spellcaster seems to have their own color for magical effects (or even, in Tsukiko’s case, two colors, depending on whether it’s arcane or divine). I don’t think we’ve seen pink from anyone but V. It may be true that most magic in the series is pink, but that’s just because most magic in the series is from V. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/302 "2009-03-20T09:05:02Z")
[# 639 is up](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0639.html) Wow . . . that’s **nasty**. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/303 "2009-03-20T09:19:53Z")
Well… At least the rabbit’s safe! :eek: But really, damn, that’s dark… ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/304 "2009-03-20T09:33:20Z")
Top stuff. I particularly love the dumpy dragon in armour, standing on its hind legs. Erfworld is ace today, too. A bumper morning in the feed reader. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/305 "2009-03-20T12:00:36Z")
> [@Dead\_Badger](#): > > Top stuff. I particularly love the dumpy dragon in armour, standing on its hind legs. To be honest, I thought that was a half dragon. A very draconic-looking half-dragon. There was another a bit later (the dragon-headed centaur). ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/306 "2009-03-20T12:26:58Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > To be honest, I thought that was a half dragon. A very draconic-looking half-dragon. > > There was another a bit later (the dragon-headed centaur). And a dragon in wizard robes in a magic circle. I think those three were some variety of half dragons. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/307 "2009-03-20T12:34:32Z")
I’m guessing this is where Vaarsuvius learns the soon-to-be-classic lesson: “Don’t indiscriminately kill off all living relatives of a dragon, in a campaign world where dragons and humanoids are capable of interbreeding.” ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/308 "2009-03-20T12:39:15Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > I’m guessing this is where Vaarsuvius learns the soon-to-be-classic lesson: “Don’t indiscriminately kill off all living relatives of a dragon, in a campaign world where dragons and humanoids are capable of interbreeding.” With the lessons about deals with devils shortly afterwards. Hmmm borrowing power by soul linking to an experienced evil magic user. V has gone Raistlin on us. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/309 "2009-03-20T12:40:40Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > I’m guessing this is where Vaarsuvius learns the soon-to-be-classic lesson: “Don’t indiscriminately kill off all living relatives of a dragon, in a campaign world where dragons and humanoids are capable of interbreeding.” Don’t sorcerors of all races in D&D have their magical abilities as a result of draconic blood somewhere in their ancestral line? I wonder how many elven or human sorcerors V just murdered? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/310 "2009-03-20T12:41:47Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > With the lessons about deals with devils shortly afterwards. Hmmm borrowing power by soul linking to an experienced evil magic user. V has gone Raistlin on us. V-standantilus! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/311 "2009-03-20T12:48:11Z")
I’m just fascinated by the parallels between V’s character arc and Belkar’s. Both of them underwent major chnages, both for the worng reasons, with radically different results - V becoming a monster for altruistic reasons, while Belkar becoming a hero for selfish ones (and both being manipulated by outsiders). I foresee a confrontation between the two, with the party - particularly Haley, V’s closest friend - taking Belkar’s side. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/312 "2009-03-20T12:50:02Z")
That was amazing! Dark, yes, but so … twistedly logical. My favourite was the XXes in the otherwise black panel. There is no hiding from a pissed-off overpowered Elf, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/313 "2009-03-20T12:50:58Z")
How many XPs does one get from killing off an extended dragon family? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/314 "2009-03-20T12:54:18Z")
Yeah, I’m going to have think that’s going to have just a slight ripple effect. > [@jayjay](#): > > V-standantilus! Damnit…if only I hadn’t had to drop my daughter off at day care, I’d have beaten you to that joke. 🙂 > [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > How many XPs does one get from killing off an extended dragon family? In V’s case, probably none – it’s not _his_ spellcasting that did the job. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/315 "2009-03-20T12:55:04Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > How many XPs does one get from killing off an extended dragon family? It’ll be minimal. If I was the GM I’d give a story award but XP is awarded based on what the player overcomes. Vaarsuvius beat one dragon and then cast a spell, s/he wouldn’t collect on the XP for killing each dragon. Besides V’s effective level is so high that the dragons aren’t a threat. Adding to this, did V make black dragons extinct? Any guesses if there another family line of them? And I’m positive that there’s a grandmother who we’ve seen a couple of times in the strip that even an epic level spell wouldn’t touch. I suspect something very ugly will be waiting for V when they head toward Gerrard’s gate… ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/316 "2009-03-20T13:03:07Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Don’t sorcerors of all races in D&D have their magical abilities as a result of draconic blood somewhere in their ancestral line? I wonder how many elven or human sorcerors V just murdered? Descendants of fiends or celestials (probably fey, too) can also become sorcerers, but draconic blood is usually considered the default. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/317 "2009-03-20T13:25:04Z")
So…what are the odds that V’s mate has draconic lineage? And did we establish that the children are actually theirs biologically and not adopted? Because it’s entirely possible that V is about to lose much, much more than he bargained for. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/318 "2009-03-20T13:37:50Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > So…what are the odds that V’s mate has draconic lineage? And did we establish that the children are actually theirs biologically and not adopted? Because it’s entirely possible that V is about to lose much, much more than he bargained for. It was mentioned that the children ARE adopted . . . uh oh. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/319 "2009-03-20T14:11:54Z")
> [@Just\_Some\_Guy](#): > > Adding to this, did V make black dragons extinct? Any guesses if there another family line of them? And I’m positive that there’s a grandmother who we’ve seen a couple of times in the strip that even an epic level spell wouldn’t touch. I suspect something very ugly will be waiting for V when they head toward Gerrard’s gate… I was wondering about that - the spell is “called” Familicide, but who knows if that’s accurate in the way we or V might expect. V’s buddy might have misrepresented it just for the chance to commit genocide/xenocide/whatever is appropriate. Edit: Alternately, V might know but not really care right now. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/320 "2009-03-20T14:39:51Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It was mentioned that the children ARE adopted . . . uh oh. Now hold on… the whole adoption thing is just so we don’t assume that V and his/her spouse are of opposite sexes. I wouldn’t read anything more into it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=17)