# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/561 "2009-04-06T16:59:58Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Didn’t the fiends say something about the necromancer’s spirit being free, as opposed to being returned to the lower planes? I’m guessing having a bunch of malevolent ghosts with epic-level casting abilities hanging out on the Prime Material is going to cause issues somewhere down the line. They also said she was harmless without a host body. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/562 "2009-04-06T17:02:52Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > They also said she was harmless without a host body. If anyone knows anything about possession and host bodies, it’s probably a necromancer. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/563 "2009-04-06T19:26:12Z")
And with the OOTS’s luck, she’ll probably pick Roy’s body to possess or something. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/564 "2009-04-06T19:32:05Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > And with the OOTS’s luck, she’ll probably pick Roy’s body to possess or something. You have a twisty, twisty mind. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/565 "2009-04-07T02:18:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I don’t think any type of mage can actually cast any form of Raise Dead (other than Reincarnate). It’s Durkon who’s going to have to do the heavy lifting with Roy. The necromancer could have raised Roy as a zombie/skeleton, but given that he’s already been reanimated as a flesh golem, that would be redundant. He’s a bone golem, isn’t he? Lemme go check. I’ll report back later. [sub]_Greater Teleport_[/sub] _\_ [Yep, here it is. Bone golem.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0575.html) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/566 "2009-04-07T02:37:49Z")
You’re right. I was still seeing the RoyCorpse when it was in a state of slightly less…dishabille. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/567 "2009-04-07T02:41:56Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > If anyone knows anything about possession and host bodies, it’s probably a necromancer. Right, but a necromancer who can’t cast spells can’t possess a body, or really do anything at all. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/568 "2009-04-07T23:22:41Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > Right, but a necromancer who can’t cast spells can’t possess a body, or really do anything at all. Tell that to Papa Greenhilt. Or, you know, any spirit that hangs around long enough to pick up an ectoplasmic echo of their old body. I’m assuming that the Spliced souls are tempered or altered to prevent this from happening; certainly you can’t just dump stock souls into a body and have them work together. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/569 "2009-04-07T23:35:02Z")
Just wanted to add… notice how upset V gets at not being able to “save the day” by being the one to contact Haley? He doesn’t care about the fact that he just found the entire fleet a place to settle, he was more interested in proving that he now had the magical power to do something he was unable to accomplish before (and he wanted to do it with Durkon and company watching). As I said before, Vaarsuvius is more interested in magical power for the sake of power than in anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/570 "2009-04-07T23:52:28Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > As I said before, Vaarsuvius is more interested in magical power for the sake of power than in anything else. In other words, V’s Spouse was [pretty much right](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0642.html). > [@](#): > > “But I think we both know that this ? This thing that you’ve become ? This is what you have always really wanted.” ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/571 "2009-04-10T02:51:47Z")
#644 is up and it’s a [digression.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0644.html) A worthy one, though. I still have the original Blackmoor book around here somewhere. His name was one it, right alongside Gygax’s name. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/572 "2009-04-16T15:44:43Z")
[645](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0645.html) is up. We’re back on the main story. The good news is the Order has begun to re-unite. The bad news is we have to wait until the next book to see “Frankenstein vs Tiny Chuck Norris”. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/573 "2009-04-16T16:26:07Z")
I’m satisfied just to hear the name, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/574 "2009-04-16T16:37:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > [645](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0645.html) is up. We’re back on the main story. The good news is the Order has begun to re-unite. The bad news is we have to wait until the next book to see “Frankenstein vs Tiny Chuck Norris”. You know, I’m not all that interested in seeing that fight. Sure, it was probably awesome, but it’s a digression. It’s time for the Order to reunite, the arc to end, and the quest to move forward. I’m really impressed with the New Model Belkar, BTW. Head-Shojo sure manipulated the hell out of him, didn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/575 "2009-04-16T16:52:01Z")
The past few story arcs have lasted about 20 pages, and the last three books had about 180 strips. Putting the team back together would be a nice way to end book four, so yeah, we should see them all together soon (but not too soon). ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/576 "2009-04-16T18:17:54Z")
Okay, today’s strip, and V’s facial expressions, finally make me think there’s hope for him not-being-evil-in-the-long-run. I’m glad for that. Heel-turns never really do it for me in comics. I’m sure there’ll be complications, but I’m equally sure they will be handled well. Also, the fight? Glad we didn’t see it. Nothing could equal how awsome I envision it being in my mind. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/577 "2009-04-16T18:47:11Z")
> [@ArrMatey](#): > > Also, the fight? Glad we didn’t see it. Nothing could equal how awsome I envision it being in my mind. 🙂 You know, i wouldn’t say that after the awesomeness that was the last time Belkar kicked some ass. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/578 "2009-04-16T20:35:48Z")
> [@](#): > > You know, i wouldn’t say that after the awesomeness that was the last time Belkar kicked some ass. I still get shudders when I think of poor Jenny, though. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/579 "2009-04-16T21:09:57Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I still get shudders when I think of poor Jenny, though. That was the last time Belkar _tapped_ some ass, not kicked some. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/580 "2009-04-17T00:26:14Z")
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