# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1161 "2009-05-15T22:37:22Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > A death is coming, though, unless Rich has another cheat planned. The Oracle said [url=[572 The Resistance of Memory - Giant in the Playground Games](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html)]“Belkar will draw his last breath–ever–before the end of the year.” > > … > So, even assuming that the Oracle made his prediction in January, it would seem that Belkar has perhaps two in-story months to live. Okay, first of all, that assumes that the Oracle is on the Azure City calendar. This seems doubtful as the Azurites celebrate New Year a few months later than everyone else. So, probably we are not far into the year. Secondly, there have been two predictions. The first one, where the Oracle said that Belkar should savour his next birthday cake, that was made almost a year ago, but has no specified time limit on it. The other prophecy which specified he would draw his last breath before the end of the year was made only a few days ago, Stickverse time. At most, three weeks ago. I conclude, therefore that we are two or three months into belkar’s last year alive. That of course does not mean that he won’t die soon. It just extends the time limit for death. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1162 "2009-05-16T00:03:53Z")
> [@Just\_Some\_Guy](#): > > [You guys are not alone](http://stuffgeekslove.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/not-playing-dungeons-and-dragons/). I assume this is directed at **jayjay** and me. I can’t speak for him, but I’m running on the fumes of roleplaying experience when I talk about this stuff. I literally have not played any role playing game at all in probably 20 years. Since high school, anyway, and that’s been a loooooong time ago. As I said, the mythology is interesting to me (and OotS is a bangin’ good story), and I wouldn’t know a White Wolf game if it bit me in the tuckus. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1163 "2009-05-16T00:07:24Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I assume this is directed at **jayjay** and me. I can’t speak for him, but I’m running on the fumes of roleplaying experience when I talk about this stuff. I literally have not played any role playing game at all in probably 20 years. Since high school, anyway, and that’s been a loooooong time ago. > > As I said, the mythology is interesting to me (and OotS is a bangin’ good story), and I wouldn’t know a White Wolf game if it bit me in the tuckus. Seriously…I don’t believe either one of us was disparaging D&D. We were just saying that while we loved to read the books, we weren’t so much about the role-playing. Not a shame/reputation/penis size thing, just an observation. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1164 "2009-05-16T00:07:58Z")
We know that “Belkar will draw his last breath” and “he is not long for this world”. So at the very least, he’d have to end up as some sort of freaky undead _and_ be exiled to some other plane. Much simpler to just say he’s dead, Jim. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1165 "2009-05-16T00:14:03Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Actually, let me rephrase…canon as of 3.5 and that edition’s “Manual of the Planes” is the above. I don’t have a single piece of 4th Ed. material in my possession, nor have I read any elsewhere, so I have no idea if they changed it. Straying ever further afield of topic, but unable to pass up a chance at pedantry: 4e’s cosmology is substantially different than the Great Wheel of yore. Although there _is_ still an “Abyss”, wherein are demon-types, it’s not really an Outer Plane/afterlife type of place, and although it’s infinite, it does not have 666+ layers. [4e cosmology](http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ManualPlanes/119397.jpg) p.s., if a White Wolf game bites anyone in the tukus, I’d recommend Bactine™, asap. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1166 "2009-05-16T00:16:57Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > We know that “Belkar will draw his last breath” and “he is not long for this world”. Well, that second part could just be a crack about his height. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1167 "2009-05-16T00:31:22Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > 4e’s cosmology is substantially different than the Great Wheel of yore. Although there _is_ still an “Abyss”, wherein are demon-types, it’s not really an Outer Plane/afterlife type of place, and although it’s infinite, it does not have 666+ layers. > > [4e cosmology](http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ManualPlanes/119397.jpg) Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1168 "2009-05-16T03:35:31Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Ugh. No kidding. The Wheel was better. ETA: …aesthetically speaking. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1169 "2009-05-16T11:33:50Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Oddly enough, V. See! More evidence for my hot Belkar love theory! ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1170 "2009-05-16T17:46:50Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > See! More evidence for my hot Belkar love theory! Well, he is a sexy shoeless god of war. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1171 "2009-05-17T02:29:13Z")
By the way, I didn’t notice that anyone had mentioned it yet, but Tsukiko and more importantly Redcloak(Who normally is very perceptive) are calling V she. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1172 "2009-05-17T02:51:09Z")
The strip’s foremost expert on the subject of humanoid sexuality has referred to V as both male and female, on two different occasions. Given that, I don’t think we can really conclude anything from anyone’s perceptions of em. ---
**Author:** ![Aestivalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Aestivalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aestivalis)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1173 "2009-05-17T03:58:21Z")
Since we’ve been discussing cosmology, is it possible for him to ascend to godhood, therefore relieving him of the need to breathe? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1174 "2009-05-17T06:25:05Z")
> [@Aestivalis](#): > > Since we’ve been discussing cosmology, is it possible for him to ascend to godhood, therefore relieving him of the need to breathe? Yes. At least two of the gods in the Player’s Handbook were once mortal (Saint Cuthbert and Vecna), and there are a bunch of others in other books. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1175 "2009-05-17T14:27:05Z")
Any possibility that another character might turn up bearing the name Belkar? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1176 "2009-05-17T14:32:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Any possibility that another character might turn up bearing the name Belkar? His eviller twin ? ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1177 "2009-05-17T16:31:50Z")
That’s a thought. Does Belknar have a corresponding member in the Linear Guild? (Not that I can see why a Lawful Good character would be with the guild, but who knows…) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1178 "2009-05-17T16:41:42Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > That’s a thought. Does Belknar have a corresponding member in the Linear Guild? It was Yikyik, a kobold ranger who hates halflings. He’s now Belkar’s hat. There was also Yokyok, Yikyik’s son, who was attempting to avenge his father’s death. He’s now salsa and a bowl for tortilla chips. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1179 "2009-05-18T19:23:38Z")
Awright! Looks like it’s time for O-Chul to kick some ass! ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1180 "2009-05-18T19:27:08Z")
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