# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1381 "2009-05-27T00:06:56Z")
> [@](#): > > They may even want to do a repeat of history, and let the Snarl destroy the world and then remake it. This time, with the fiends, and the fiends alone in charge of the design. Nah, they’re playing a bigger game than that. If they just wanted a world, they’d create a new one of their own. Heck, Sabine’s considerably older than the world, and I would imagine that her superiors are older yet. They’re not out to conquer the world; they want the multiverse. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1382 "2009-05-30T04:42:34Z")
[New one (657)'s up.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0657.html) My heart was in my throat the whole time. Go V!!! Go O-CHUL! My trust in Vaarsuvius is merited as the elf shows that as utterly helpless and vulnerable as s/he is, where freedom was a mere Feather Fall away, s/he’s still got the heart to go back and heal O-Chul. Now that’s bravery. And O-Chul is about to pull off a last-ditch effort… Each panel with Invisi-V and Xykon monologuing was pure torture. How does Rich keep pulling these cliffhangers out? I don’t remember a more tension-filled arc, even the Azure City fall wasn’t this agonizing. Brilliantly done. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1383 "2009-05-30T04:58:30Z")
Best line: “Let’s play Hide-and-Seek, just to be sure. I’m ‘It’. Actually, so are you, as near as I can tell.” ---
**Author:** ![Thalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f475e1/32.png) [@Thalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thalion)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1384 "2009-05-30T04:58:57Z")
Damn! That’s fantastic! I’ve enjoyed OOTS for a long time, but I can’t believe how hooked I am right now. I check for updates at least three times a day. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1385 "2009-05-30T05:07:24Z")
What makes this strip extra powerful to me is… that there’s an extra level of cruelty in Xykon – not that it’s any surprise – but that he got so _physical_ with V. I don’t remember seeing him use his own hands in a fight before; blunt instruments, yes. Getting up close and personal just to show extra brutality (and specifically to show just how weak and vulnerable his formerly powerful victim is) makes him especially scary. A whole new level of creepy. And makes V’s plight even more pathetic. _…Shudder…_ ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1386 "2009-05-30T06:08:39Z")
Well… It is really sad, but that last panel with O-Chul standing up still and looking like he has finally gotten good and pissed off actually brought tear to my eye. Go big O! plus, what is in his trailing hand? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1387 "2009-05-30T06:15:10Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Well… It is really sad, but that last panel with O-Chul standing up still and looking like he has finally gotten good and pissed off actually brought tear to my eye. Go big O! > plus, what is in his trailing hand? A very good question! Where’s his pointy stick at? Also, what’s in Vaarsuvius’s right hand in panel #10? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1388 "2009-05-30T06:20:09Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > plus, what is in his trailing hand? A big old can of whup-ass! ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1389 "2009-05-30T06:36:33Z")
DAMMIT. I leave for a week’s vacation in 3 hours, and I made a decision to stay unconnected, so no computer access for SEVEN DAYS. This is NOT good timing on my part. Go O-Chul! Hang in there, V! ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1390 "2009-05-30T06:43:38Z")
So as a rough guess, the next thing O-Chul says will be “Smite…”. Beautifully done, including the chalk-figure V’s expression on suddenly deciding to do something about O-Chul. Go O-Chul! ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1391 "2009-05-30T06:52:27Z")
> [@choie](#): > > A very good question! Where’s his pointy stick at? Also, what’s in Vaarsuvius’s right hand in panel #10? don’t know for sure, but either healing or buffing potions taken from the dead hobgoblin ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1392 "2009-05-30T07:24:58Z")
So is V dead in the last panel from a crushed windpipe? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1393 "2009-05-30T07:26:27Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > So is V dead in the last panel from a crushed windpipe? Never count them as dead until you see X X in their eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1394 "2009-05-30T07:45:57Z")
If O-Chul were only holding his prybar in his off-panel hand, it’s unlikely Rich would need to hide that from us. On the other hand, I can’t think of anything else in the room O-Chul could have had time to pick up. The dead orc body is too far away, and on the wrong side, for him to have seized a weapon from there. What could it be? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1395 "2009-05-30T07:57:48Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > If O-Chul were only holding his prybar in his off-panel hand, it’s unlikely Rich would need to hide that from us. > > On the other hand, I can’t think of anything else in the room O-Chul could have had time to pick up. The dead orc body is too far away, and on the wrong side, for him to have seized a weapon from there. > > What could it be? Maybe it’s glowing blue. Can he smite evil with his hand? ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1396 "2009-05-30T08:44:21Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > If O-Chul were only holding his prybar in his off-panel hand, it’s unlikely Rich would need to hide that from us. > > On the other hand, I can’t think of anything else in the room O-Chul could have had time to pick up. The dead orc body is too far away, and on the wrong side, for him to have seized a weapon from there. > > What could it be? Possibly whatever V was holding in 10, which, I suppose, brings us back to where we started. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1397 "2009-05-30T08:48:46Z")
I’m pretty sure that V is just holding a third bottle/flask. It’s rounded at one end and has an extra line near the smaller end, just like the other two. I don’t think Burlew was trying to be sneaky. He just didn’t make it distinct enough. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1398 "2009-05-30T08:51:35Z")
So… glorious beatdown take two? ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1399 "2009-05-30T08:52:28Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > I’m pretty sure that V is just holding a third bottle/flask. It’s rounded at one end and has an extra line near the smaller end, just like the other two. I don’t think Burlew was trying to be sneaky. He just didn’t make it distinct enough. Okay, I think you’re right, it’s an empty flask. I was looking at it like a white square but now I think it’s just an empty bottle. Edit: Hmm… I wonder, if O-chul kills Xykon’s body and they high tail it out of Azure city with the Phylactery in hand… hmm, could they go to Girard’s gate next (before he has a chance to respawn) for help? That would fulfill the Oracle’s prophecy and allow for Xykon’s death. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1400 "2009-05-30T09:03:07Z")
> [@choie](#): > > A very good question! Where’s his pointy stick at? Also, what’s in Vaarsuvius’s right hand in panel #10? He hasn’t actually hit him with it yet, maybe pointy-jail-bar-stick is a Disrupting weapon 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=71)