# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/141 "2009-02-25T17:42:40Z")
You might even call it his tragic flaw… ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/142 "2009-02-25T17:43:50Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Nothing in the multiverse could ever convince V that a problem exists that can’t be solved by a sufficient amount of magic. That’s, like, his key personality trait. The dragon was criticized by many for going over the top with her planned revenge, so I suspect V will do likewise. Even if the family ends up completely safe and protected, I think the idea about the dragon’s fate will be that “death is too good for you” and V will do something utterly evil and vicious just because s/he **can** - got the magic, might as well use it, right? I forget, can Wishes restore people to life? Yeah, I know, twisting words and all that, but you’d think with quadruple the power, V could find a way to rules-lawyer the dragon’s child’s full and intact resurrection or something. Returning a non-traumatized young dragon to his mom would be a big start in getting her to forget about any revenge attempts. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/143 "2009-02-25T18:01:57Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > I forget, can Wishes restore people to life? Yeah, I know, twisting words and all that, but you’d think with quadruple the power, V could find a way to rules-lawyer the dragon’s child’s full and intact resurrection or something. Returning a non-traumatized young dragon to his mom would be a big start in getting her to forget about any revenge attempts. Yes, it can, but remember we’re talking about a BLACK dragon here. They aren’t as full-bore destructive as Red dragons or as cunningly manipulative as Blue, but they are just about the biggest jerks on the dragon block. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/144 "2009-02-25T18:08:32Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Yes, it can, but remember we’re talking about a BLACK dragon here. They aren’t as full-bore destructive as Red dragons or as cunningly manipulative as Blue, but they are just about the biggest jerks on the dragon block. I’ll give you that. However, my bet is on the side that V isn’t going to even consider something to help “make nice”. V’s going to go waaaaaaaaaay deep into death-and-destruction, to a level that makes the dragon’s revenge plan look really tame, and just because the triple Evil crew handed out a bunch of new toys to play with. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/145 "2009-02-25T18:24:42Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > I’ll give you that. However, my bet is on the side that V isn’t going to even consider something to help “make nice”. Hell no. V doesn’t ‘make nice’ with creatures V considers inferior (i.e., all of them). The only non-elf V respects is Roy, and that’s only because Roy has an intelligence to match V’s, if not the magical power. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/146 "2009-02-25T20:00:13Z")
As an aside, I’m mildly amused to note who else is a RPGer / reader of OoTS. I would never have expected [del]the Spanish Inquisition[/del] **Der Trihs** , for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/147 "2009-02-25T20:08:16Z")
Man, you guys need to read more revenge literature. The dragon is committing suicide. She knows that her actions are forcing V to desperate lengths. And she also knows that V strongly covets magic, and is extraordinarily arrogant. She’s using his own hubris to destroy him. V will make the deal, but maybe not in time to save the children, or perhaps his own magic will immolate them. The dragon will die, but will probably live long enough to gloat about taking everything from V. V will despair and give in to Evil at that point, and the dragon’s revenge will truly be complete. Or, in short, a classic tragedy. What **kaylasdad** said. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/148 "2009-03-02T00:51:57Z")
[#634](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0634.html) is up. That pretty much seals the deal, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/149 "2009-03-02T01:01:47Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > [#634](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0634.html) is up. > > That pretty much seals the deal, doesn’t it? And the title is “The Wrong Reasons” just so no one mistakes what is happening. I figured that some expectations would be subverted on this one but I guess not; it’s time for things to head downhill. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/150 "2009-03-02T01:13:17Z")
I think there is a little subversion going on here. Most people (myself included) probably assumed that the right being would be someone else, but it really looks like the infernal guys are gone at that point. Vaarsuvius is talking to himself. ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/151 "2009-03-02T01:24:55Z")
I must say, those fiends had a pretty clever alternative strategy. So, the obvious result of the deal is that the fiends will be able take over at a critical moment, probably near a gate, causing massive problems. Obviously a much better deal than a few minutes of torture after death. The question then is does V fail to realize this, or is she purposely ignoring it so that she can justify going forward with the deal? I suspect this is one of those strips down the road where we’ll think back “you could have avoided this massive tragedy if only you’d used a little foresight.” ---
**Author:** ![Randy\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee7513/32.png) [@Randy\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randy_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/152 "2009-03-02T01:26:47Z")
Let the record reflect that I called it: > [@Randy\_Seltzer](#): > > I wonder if we’ll finally hear the “four words” referenced [here](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html)? ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/153 "2009-03-02T02:45:36Z")
> [@Garula](#): > > I suspect this is one of those strips down the road where we’ll think back “you could have avoided this massive tragedy if only you’d used a little foresight.” Acytually, I suspect V will find a way to come out much the better on the deal. He is nobiody’s fool, and very unlikely not to have planned for the full repercussions… ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/154 "2009-03-02T03:13:27Z")
No, at this point V is a textbook tragic hero. When all is said and done, she’s toast, and we’ll all be able to point back at this moment and identify it as where things went wrong. ---
**Author:** ![cletus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@cletus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cletus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/155 "2009-03-02T06:07:53Z")
Every now and then I’m reminded why I put up with the irregular schedule, walls of text, and occasional plotlines that drag to long. This really is one of the best webcomics out there. I hope V will be ok, he’s one of my favorite characters. At the least I am hopeful she will figure out a loophole or something to whatever the demons are planning. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/156 "2009-03-02T06:35:58Z")
I really like the “whoa” touch by the imp 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/157 "2009-03-02T06:36:16Z")
> [@Randy\_Seltzer](#): > > Let the record reflect that I called it: Well, considering how many readers started salivating over any word balloon V threw out with four words in it, I don’t think that was a hard target to hit. Shoot enough arrows, and one’s bound to hit the target eventually. 😃 I’m just glad the speculation will finally stop! Or at least decrease. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/158 "2009-03-02T06:46:54Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Acytually, I suspect V will find a way to come out much the better on the deal. He is nobiody’s fool, and very unlikely not to have planned for the full repercussions… V is actually fairly foolish. In matters of intellect, solving abstract problems, V is unmatched. In matters of _wisdom_, solving real-world problems, V’s not so good. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/159 "2009-03-02T11:50:07Z")
Yeah, they all think using Wis and Cha as dump stats is harmless… ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/160 "2009-03-02T12:37:16Z")
I am not certain that these are \*the \*four words. In the first place, Vonly said three words, with a stutter. More importantly, he didn’t say them \*to \*any being. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=9)