# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1701 "2009-06-11T09:17:14Z")
He’s charmed. Not in any short-term sense… Xykon charmed the MitD to kill Redcloak should he ever betray him. I believe the specific instructions were ‘eat him and spit out the phylactery’ or somesuch. So it’s not like he’s charmed to be anybody’s friend or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1702 "2009-06-11T10:04:15Z")
How do we know the spell worked? ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1703 "2009-06-11T10:33:39Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > How do we know the spell worked? We know that it had an effect on him because his eyes went all swirly. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1704 "2009-06-11T12:29:01Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > He’s charmed. Not in any short-term sense… > > Xykon charmed the MitD to kill Redcloak should he ever betray him. I believe the specific instructions were ‘eat him and spit out the phylactery’ or somesuch. > > So it’s not like he’s charmed to be anybody’s friend or whatever. Doesn’t charm have a reasonable duration? I mean it can be measured in days but the monster would have to be continually recharmed for the effect to continue on this long. I’m more inclined to treat that as a “Xykon didn’t trust Redcloak then” thing than a long term plot element. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1705 "2009-06-11T13:33:45Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > If certain speculations turn out to be true, it’s more like _deus ex deum_. Deus ex deo. Ex takes the ablative. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1706 "2009-06-11T14:35:54Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Deus ex deo. Ex takes the ablative. Thanks! My 20-year high school reunion is this weekend so I’d estimate that my last Latin class was roughly 20 years ago. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1707 "2009-06-11T15:05:42Z")
I just want to say that this thread is greatly improving my reading of OOTS. You guys discussing the things makes me notice so many details that otherwise would’ve gone straight over my head. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1708 "2009-06-11T15:58:47Z")
> [@Just\_Some\_Guy](#): > > Doesn’t charm have a reasonable duration? I mean it can be measured in days but the monster would have to be continually recharmed for the effect to continue on this long. I’m more inclined to treat that as a “Xykon didn’t trust Redcloak then” thing than a long term plot element. I agree. If the “Xykon had charmed the creature” aspect is going to become a long-running plot element, Rich would be wise (and he is!) to introduce it. He’s always said that the prequel books aren’t necessary for the plot, so I highly doubt that this decades-old plot point has anything to do with today … yet. If it looks as if it might come up, we’ll have plenty of warning. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1709 "2009-06-11T18:54:46Z")
Since it is no longer permissible on this board to call someone on his shit, I’m going to take my discussion of OOTS to the Giraffe Boards. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1710 "2009-06-11T19:07:45Z")
Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1711 "2009-06-11T19:13:39Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Since it is no longer permissible on this board to call someone on his shit, I’m going to take my discussion of OOTS to the Giraffe Boards. What the fuck is going on here? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1712 "2009-06-11T19:34:08Z")
Allow me to join in on the confusion. If Fish hadn’t mentioned OOTS in his post, I’d have assumed he meant to post it in another thread. I’m going to the Giraffe board just to see what the heck he’s talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1713 "2009-06-11T19:34:29Z")
> [@](#): > > We know that it had an effect on him because his eyes went all swirly. And then immediately went back to non-swirly the very next panel. That looks to me like a Slippery Mind-type effect, possibly due to the Monster’s epic level forgetfulness. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1714 "2009-06-11T20:06:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Allow me to join in on the confusion. If Fish hadn’t mentioned OOTS in his post, I’d have assumed he meant to post it in another thread. I’m going to the Giraffe board just to see what the heck he’s talking about. Looking at his posting history AND what **Fish** is saying at the Giraffe board, it’s a reference to **Fish** being warned over in the “Texas Cop Tasers Granny” thread. Fish apparently just wants to discuss OOTS over there, in general irritation over the mods here. He has both a Pit thread and an OOTS thread there. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1715 "2009-06-11T20:20:05Z")
Xykon just tazered O-Chul and V? Because you can’t call someone on their shit, Fish is going to go to the Giraffe Boards. He will discuss OOTS there. But not here. Because here you can’t call people on their shit. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1716 "2009-06-11T20:23:12Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Since it is no longer permissible on this board to call someone on his shit, I’m going to take my discussion of OOTS to the Giraffe Boards. Well, no. It is certainly permissible to call someone on his shit. What is NOT permissible is to call the person “shit.” The distinction is perhaps a fine one, but nonetheless an important one. ACCEPTABLE: Your argument is full of shit. NOT ACCEPTABLE: You are full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1717 "2009-06-11T20:40:47Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Since it is no longer permissible on this board to call someone on his shit, I’m going to take my discussion of OOTS to the Giraffe Boards. Without getting too judgmental, I’d like to point out that this thread has garnered 1700+ posts without anyone needing to be “called on their shit”. So cast your Word of Recall if you must, but I’m happy here. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1718 "2009-06-11T21:26:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Xykon just tazered O-Chul and V? No, V tasered Xykon and Redcloak, but e forgot that liches are immune to electricity. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1719 "2009-06-11T23:24:49Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Since it is no longer permissible on this board to call someone on his shit … cite? ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1720 "2009-06-12T01:38:39Z")
It must be extra galling to V that she was still magically held when she was saved. Twice in the fight she was completely helpless and had to be saved by someone else. Hopefuly she will take Xykons words to heart and earn her future skills and abilities the long, difficult way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=87)