# Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096 "2009-02-02T07:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1841 "2009-06-24T13:52:04Z")
Never mind…I’m not sure I understand what I thought I understood, if that’s understandable… ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1842 "2009-06-24T13:52:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Still can’t figure out why he’s on that particular cloud… Yeah. Eugene Greenhild does not belong in lawful good heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1843 "2009-06-24T13:57:14Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > I’m guessing because he died thinking of himself as Lawful Good. He hasn’t had his interview yet, which may not go the way he expects. Pretty much guaranteed not to go the way he expects. In online canon, I think his story was he never completed the oath because he got busy with family/lost track of Xykon. This wasn’t entirely true: The second reason is belied in SOD; an interested party approaches Eugene with details on how to find Xykon and what he’s up to. Eugene rejects him. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1844 "2009-06-24T14:15:26Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > I’m guessing because he died thinking of himself as Lawful Good. He hasn’t had his interview yet, which may not go the way he expects. Eugene had his interview. He specifically says to Roy’s bureaucratic deva that “[they] all” told him he couldn’t get in because of the Blood Oath. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1845 "2009-06-24T16:01:11Z")
Not to mention that the interveiw is explicitly shown in SoD. Finally! A new strip! I don’t care if it’s not terribly informative, just so long as there’s a new strip! ETA: My brother says that he thinks Vaarsuvius hasn’t woken up because his soul is now with Cedric, Lee and Nero. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1846 "2009-06-24T17:09:12Z")
Anyone else feel that, even taking his imminent resurrection into account, Roy was acting out of character by dismissing the messenger so quickly? It felt like railroading to me. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1847 "2009-06-24T17:21:38Z")
I noticed something else. As far as the rest of the Order was concerned, a few minutes ago, Vaarsuvius (who was manifesting major new power) went off with the stated purpose of killing Xykon. Then he returned, wounded but alive, with an apparently rescued O-Chul. But nobody asked O-Chul the most obvious immediate question - “Did Vaarsuvius succeed in killing Xykon?” That is a pretty obvious deduction to make from the evidence and it’s a vital point of information. Durkon was busy. Belkar wouldn’t care. Hinjo and Lien missed the departure. And Elan I can understand - with his instinctive grasp of plotting he would know that the main villain wasn’t killed at this point. But you’d expect Haley to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1848 "2009-06-24T17:27:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Anyone else feel that, even taking his imminent resurrection into account, Roy was acting out of character by dismissing the messenger so quickly? It felt like railroading to me. Maybe, but he’s eager to be resurrected, and he’s used to people telling him how evil Belkar is. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1849 "2009-06-24T17:27:29Z")
Haley was too relieved at seeing O-Chul alive to be doing much else. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1850 "2009-06-24T17:36:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But nobody asked O-Chul the most obvious immediate question - “Did Vaarsuvius succeed in killing Xykon?” That is a pretty obvious deduction to make from the evidence and it’s a vital point of information. O-Chul is being [debriefed](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0663.html). He is giving a great deal of valuable intelligence regarding their foe, which includes Xykon’s state of health. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1851 "2009-06-24T17:48:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Anyone else feel that, even taking his imminent resurrection into account, Roy was acting out of character by dismissing the messenger so quickly? No, not at all. He’s done the same thing a number of times in the past. One that springs to mind is his dismissal of the Oracle, trying to warn him which gate Xykon is headed for. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1852 "2009-06-24T17:52:49Z")
Yeah. Roy’s pretty intelligent and reasonably clever, but he knows it and he can sometimes be arrogant because of it. A little like his father, really. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1853 "2009-06-24T18:06:09Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Eugene had his interview. He specifically says to Roy’s bureaucratic deva that “[they] all” told him he couldn’t get in because of the Blood Oath. The question now is whether he has to pass another interview, including his postmortem behavior, if the oath does get fulfilled. If so, he may be in for an unpleasant surprise… > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Anyone else feel that, even taking his imminent resurrection into account, Roy was acting out of character by dismissing the messenger so quickly? It felt like railroading to me. It’s now or never – if the rez spell finishes and he doesn’t come back, the rest of the Order would probably conclude that he refused to return (like Shojo earlier). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1854 "2009-06-24T18:06:16Z")
> [@](#): > > No, not at all. He’s done the same thing a number of times in the past. One that springs to mind is his dismissal of the Oracle, trying to warn him which gate Xykon is headed for. That’s true. Although that seemed pretty railroaded also. > [@](#): > > Haley was too relieved at seeing O-Chul alive to be doing much else. > [@](#): > > O-Chul is being debriefed. He is giving a great deal of valuable intelligence regarding their foe, which includes Xykon’s state of health. But as far as they’re concerned they went directly from [this](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0650.html) to [this](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0663.html). If Burlew had done that, we’d all be going crazy with curiousity and immediately demanding to know what happened. Why should the characters be any different? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1855 "2009-06-24T18:26:28Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But nobody asked O-Chul the most obvious immediate question - “Did Vaarsuvius succeed in killing Xykon?” That is a pretty obvious deduction to make from the evidence and it’s a vital point of information. No one thought that V would _succeed_, no matter how tricked out in cool evil finery. And the sudden reappearance of paralyzed V and scarred O-Chul is not indicative of victory. “How did you survive?” would be the question wanting answered… and O-Chul doesn’t know (but has a guess, methinks). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1856 "2009-06-24T18:44:17Z")
Y’know, it occurs to me that really all O-Chul has right now is his briefs. If Hinjo debriefs him, is Haley going to be wanting to check out his Charisma? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1857 "2009-06-24T19:00:40Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Y’know, it occurs to me that really all O-Chul has right now is his briefs. If Hinjo debriefs him, is Haley going to be wanting to check out his Charisma? Nah. Even in the company of Paladins, Elan likely still has the biggest Charisma. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1858 "2009-06-24T19:16:28Z")
Still, Paladins generally have rather sizable charisma. I don’t see her as a girl who would pass up taking a quick peek “under the hood”. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1859 "2009-06-24T19:59:36Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Nah. Even in the company of Paladins, Elan likely still has the biggest Charisma. Yeah, That Dashing Swordsman level has got to require it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/1860 "2009-06-24T21:22:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Still, Paladins generally have rather sizable charisma. But in O-Chul’s case, while he has +5 holy cojones, he used charisma as his dump stat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096.md?page=94)