# Oregon vs. Right-Wing Militias, Round 2
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [June 22, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899 "2019-06-22T18:22:30Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
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### Author:  [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/61 "2019-06-27T22:45:51Z")
[It isn’t getting better and many are urging the GOP to continue to obstruct.](https://apnews.com/9d159af15d98484e9b4d530011578722)
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> But Republicans — who have left the state to avoid taking a vote — say their walkout is worth it despite the governor sending state police to round them up and getting fined $500 a day. The protesters at the Capitol agreed.
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> “They are doing exactly what we want them to do,” said Tkeisha Wydro of McMinnville, northwest of Salem. “The senators who walked out have incredible integrity and have the full support of rural Oregonians.”
Democracy is losing because the side that favors democracy is weak. Not smaller, just weak.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/62 "2019-06-27T23:35:39Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> [It isn’t getting better and many are urging the GOP to continue to obstruct.](https://apnews.com/9d159af15d98484e9b4d530011578722)Democracy is losing because the side that favors democracy is weak. Not smaller, just weak.
When [Democrats did the same sort of thing in Wisconsin](https://www.npr.org/2011/02/17/133847336/wis-democratic-lawmakers-flee-to-prevent-vote), did you consider them to be on the side opposing democracy?
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### Author:  [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/63 "2019-06-28T00:02:21Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> When [Democrats did the same sort of thing in Wisconsin](https://www.npr.org/2011/02/17/133847336/wis-democratic-lawmakers-flee-to-prevent-vote), did you consider them to be on the side opposing democracy?
Well, gosh, I must’ve missed it–could you point out the place in that story where the Democrats in question threatened to shoot state troopers if they were sent to bring them back for the vote and where they encouraged insane white supremacist terrorist groups to engage in threatening behavior on their behalf? I’m sure it’s just a failure of reading comprehension on my part because of course you couldn’t be disingenuously conflating the dissimilar situations as though they shared common elements beyond obstructing a vote in legislature. Heavens forfend.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/64 "2019-06-28T00:44:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> [It isn’t getting better and many are urging the GOP to continue to obstruct.](https://apnews.com/9d159af15d98484e9b4d530011578722)Democracy is losing because the side that favors democracy is weak. Not smaller, just weak.
I think the majority just assumes they’ll eventually go away and won’t do any real harm. They’re wrong. There will be real harm because people like this keep pushing to see what they can get away with. Not necessarily the same people, but people of a like mind.
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### Author:  [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/65 "2019-06-28T22:55:38Z")
[The GOP says they’ll come back and do their jobs.](https://apnews.com/9f6cbafe26d741a4a0e74c7234520b19)
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> Republicans in the Oregon Senate said Friday that they will end a more than weeklong walkout over emissions-lowering climate legislation that ground the Legislature to a halt, declaring victory in the political crisis that exposed the limits of overwhelming Democratic control in Oregon.
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> The 11 Republicans fled the state for nine days to deny Democrats the numbers needed to vote on a proposal that would be the second in the nation to cap and trade pollution credits among companies.
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> Senate Minority Leader Herman Baertschiger told reporters that Republicans will return Saturday to vote on dozens of budget and policy bills before the legislative session ends at midnight Sunday. The Democratic governor had sent state police to try to round up Republicans, who also face $500-a-day fines.
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> “Our mission in walking out was to kill cap-and-trade,” Baertschiger said. “And that’s what we did.”
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> Baertschiger said he received assurances from the Democratic Senate president and Gov. Kate Brown that the climate bill won’t move forward this session.
I hope it was a lie. I hope they lock the doors and force the vote. You wanna play hardball? Now we’re playing hardball.
Meanwhile, the Gov should have been working with her fellow Governors to track and root out the people who helped the Republicans; they are a danger to any state’s sovereignty when they threaten organized violence.
But the Democrats are weak WEAK weak and will do nothing of the sort.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/66 "2019-06-29T20:02:21Z")
The Republicans have already gone back on their word. The Democrats should as soon as they’re back hold votes on not only the cap-and-trade bill, but also on the other two bills they walked out on before. If they need a fig leaf, change the punctuation marks in Section 12, Paragraph 7 so they can say that the original bill _was_ killed; this is a different bill.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/67 "2019-06-29T20:07:51Z")
Oh, and while they’re at it, change their procedural rules so that a majority counts as a quorum.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [June 29, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/68 "2019-06-29T21:28:02Z")
No, go lower than 50%. More like 25%. That way, it forces everyone to attend, for fear that a small determined group can push something through while most members are out golfing.
The quorum for the Canadian House of Commons is 10. The Senate, 15.
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### Author:  [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/69 "2019-06-30T00:48:40Z")
> **[Oregon Republican senators end walkout over carbon bill](https://apnews.com/article/141a6d202dac4c4480200957c4fe86ac)**
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> SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Republican lawmakers returned to the Oregon Senate on Saturday, ending an acrimonious nine-day walkout over a carbon emissions bill that would have been the second such legislation in the nation.
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> Nine minority Republicans returned to the Senate on Saturday after Senate President Peter Courtney said the majority Democrats lacked the necessary 16 votes to pass the legislation, a statewide cap on carbon that allows companies to trade pollution credits. Shortly after convening, senators quickly voted 17-10 to send the climate proposal back to committee, essentially killing it for the session.
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> One of the Republicans absent Saturday was Sen. Brian Boquist, who had told state police to come heavily armed and to send bachelor officers if they were going to forcibly return him to the Senate during the walkout. Senate Republican leader Herman Baertschiger, Jr., on Friday refused to condemn Boquist’s words, only saying the comments were unhelpful.
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> Boquist faces a formal complaint that will be taken up at a special committee hearing in July.
Not real impressed with Mr. Baertshiger, either.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/70 "2019-06-30T01:05:47Z")
Reading that quickly, I thought you said you weren’t that impressed with Mr Batshit.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/71 "2019-06-30T01:30:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> [The GOP says they’ll come back and do their jobs.](https://apnews.com/9f6cbafe26d741a4a0e74c7234520b19)I hope it was a lie. I hope they lock the doors and force the vote. You wanna play hardball? Now we’re playing hardball.
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> Meanwhile, the Gov should have been working with her fellow Governors to track and root out the people who helped the Republicans; they are a danger to any state’s sovereignty when they threaten organized violence.
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> But the Democrats are weak WEAK weak and will do nothing of the sort.
I wouldn’t say that they’re weak - more like they were probably taken by surprise and didn’t know what the best response was. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of these tactics, though. I think other republican caucuses will probably use this as a template for how to push back on democratic majorities: they’ll just threaten them with armed paramilitaries.
The Republican party is adopting some of the same rhetoric that was used by the Democratic party in 19th Century Democratic party. They’re threatening lawlessness if they don’t get their way.
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### Author:  [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)
#### Post date: [June 30, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/72 "2019-06-30T02:17:07Z")
But… but I thought the GOP was the party of law and order!
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### Author:  [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/73 "2019-07-06T02:00:51Z")
Happy to see [this](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climate-oregon/oregon-state-senator-faces-hearing-on-heavily-armed-comment-idUSKCN1U101J?il=0) (Reuters).
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> An Oregon state senator who was among Republican lawmakers who fled the Capitol last month to scuttle a vote on a bill to fight climate change faces a conduct hearing over remarks tinged with threats of violence about any efforts to force the senators to return.
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> The Senate Special Committee agenda for Monday calls for its two Democrats and two Republicans to consider a recommendation from an outside counsel that Boquist not be allowed to return to the “workplace” during an investigation.
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> The memorandum from the outside counsel, attorney Brenda Baumgart of the firm Stoel Rives LLP, cited the need to “ensure that the Capitol is free from threats of (or actual) violence and intimidation.”
I hope they fine him heavily and censure him to boot. And I hope he’s voted out in 2020.
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### Author:  [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2019, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/74 "2019-07-16T10:46:34Z")
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> [@Moonie Times](#):
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> The recall paperwork, filed Monday by Oregon GOP chair Bill Currier, accused her of ignoring or overturning the will of the voters on driver’s licenses for illegal aliens and tax increases, as well as\*\* denying citizens protection from “the domestic terrorist threat known as Antifa.”\*\*
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> “Governor Brown has subjected the people of Oregon to a long line of abuses of power while at the same time refusing to address their legitimate concerns,” said the recall statement. “She has fostered a toxic political environment that stifles meaningful discourse. She has threatened retaliation against her own citizens when her political agenda is not successful in the legislature.”
…this is all manner of fucked up.
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### Author:  [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oregon-vs-right-wing-militias-round-2/835899/75 "2019-07-17T18:32:54Z")
Talk about projection; wow!
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