Organ Donation Should be Automatic!

If a corpse has no rights, why even grant people the ability to opt out? Is that out of some generosity? If there is a moral imperative to save lives, why allow anyone to opt out in the first place? That seems contradictory to me.

If there is even a single iota of a chance that a person’s life may not be saved due to the desire to harvest more useable organs, I’d say ruling out the possibility of organ donation mitigates that. There are other non-religious reasons to not want to donate one’s organs.

Like?

Like an irrational fear that doctors might let them expire in order to harvest their organs or maybe they just find the whole idea icky. I’m not saying those are good reasons but they are reasons.

Marc

I am opposed to the opt out. I think once a person dies, the body should become the property of the government to harvest, experiment on, eat or burn as it sees fit.

Well, yes - you can survive with half your liver. You can survive with just half of one kidney, or one lung, or a heart that’s been damaged.

A big difference is that if your kidneys completely stop working you can live a long time on dialysis. We even have artificial hearts that can extend life. But we have no substitute for a liver.

A lot depends on what kills the liver - alcohol takes time, as does hepatitis (usually - there may be some quicker-acting forms). But chemical harm to the liver can destroy the entire organ. This is seen not only in industrial accidents, but also when people eat certain poisonous mushrooms or overdose on aceteminophen (Tylenol). Sometimes people in those situations have been lucky enough to be matched with a donor immediately and survived, but often they do not.

Which sort of brings me around to some issues with organ donation that seem to be bypassed in this thread. First of all, not everyone can donate, no matter how they want to. Cancer survivors, people with HIV or hepatitis, and various other diseases can no donate - the risk to the recipient is too great. There was that rather gruesome bit earlier this year where four organ recipients died of rabies - seems the donor was infected, didn’t know it, and wasn’t showing symptoms yet.

Not to mention you have to die in such a manner your organs remain intact while your brain dies. That usually means head injuries in young, healthy people. Maybe we should ban motorcycle helmets, since they reduce the risk of this sort injury and reduces the pool of available donors? Naw…

The truth is even if we harvested every viable organ there would still not be enough to go around to everyone in need. It’s not just sheer numbers - you have to match tissue types and so forth or you might as well not bother. So ,OK, we have an “implied consent” rule and we’re harvesting away… and there’s still a shortage. Then what do you do?

Long term, the best solutions are to reduce the need for new organs by better preventive medicine, and, if we can, come up with a way to either clone one’s own cells to make a new organ or develop truly efficient artificial ones.

I can only thank God that you are not in charge of health policy in this country.

belladonna , my heart goes out to you. I’m sending as many positive vibes to your young relative as I have.

Now, my credentials - my husband received a kidney transplant 17 months ago, from a deceased donor who made the choice (as did her family) to give life to another person when she could no longer use her organs. His kidneys failed for no known reason - as is the case with about 25% of kidney transplant recipients. It’s not comforting to hear the doctor say “well, sometimes it just happens.”

Watching someone you love die a little everyday from organ failure (we’ll talk about dialysis later on) and knowing that their only hope for living is to depend on someone else to make that decision is enough to make you want to mandate organ donation. I’ve since come down from that particular ledge, but do believe that we need legislation nation-wide that would not allow the family to override the deceased’s wishes. Such legislation is already in place in Indiana.

Sometimes, in order to tell if the organs are usable, the doctors need to know from the family what type of life the donor led - it’s not always apparent from looking at them. See Broomstick’s story about the rabies infections for an extreme example (not that the family would have known, either.) It’s also possible that organs may not be functioning well because of whatever happened to kill the person, but would do just fine in someone else. That’s why I don’t support mandatory donation, or a fee paid to the donor’s family - and I’m not really sure about an opt-out system, my emotions are still too raw to form a reasoned opinion.

Re: the transplant list: At our transplant center, you have to walk the straight and narrow to get on - and stay on - the list. That means a zero-tolerance tobacco policy for any transplant, enforced through random tobacco screenings. Don’t want to follow your doctor’s orders? Off the list. Don’t want to give up your substance-abuse habit? No new organs for you. The transplant team’s stance is that if you won’t take care of it, you don’t deserve it. I do understand that not every transplant program is that rigorous - but I think they should be.

While WinkieHubby was on it, the average wait for a kidney on the transplant list was 20 months. That’s quite a long time, when you figure that many deceased donors have two of them to donate. This organ donation website may have some good information - United Network for Organ Sharing had some good information about organ transplants back when I was searching the web for transplant information instead of sleeping.

Re: insurance: I don’t know what the case is with other organs, but if you are diagnosed with End-Stage Renal Disease you are automatically eligible for Medicare Part B. That will pay for dialysis, transplant, and anti-rejection meds for a period of time. Since we have very good insurance, we are just now learning about this so please don’t ask me many questions.

WinkieHubby was lucky that for kidney failure, there is an artificial process that can keep him alive for a fairly long time. I don’t think most other organ failure patients have a long-term solution like that. And dialysis is no picnic - it only provides about 15% of what normally-functioning kidneys do. That meant that even when he wasn’t at work or undergoing dialysis, getting up off the couch was a major accomplishment for the day. Getting that kidney was like flipping a light switch in him - I can’t even describe how much better her felt as soon as he came out of the anethesia from surgery (ok, the good drugs may have helped a bit :slight_smile: )

Our transplant team (at least one of the nephrologists on it) thinks that we’ll see cloned organs within the next ten years. I sincerely hope that is the case, and am trying to figure out how I can actively politically support the research to make that happen. Until that time, though, using organs that other people don’t need any more (or choose to donate and just use the one, in the case of kidneys) is the only long-term solution.

I’m baffled by this. Personally, I’d rather risk having all of my organs given to people that will totally waste them, if there is even the smallest chance that someone, anyone, will benefit. I also give money to charities, knowing that there is a chance that some of it might be misused, but it’s better then me doing nothing.

And that’s precisely why I’m ashamed of some of the posters in this thread- the ones who would rather their body parts go to the worms, than for them to potentially save another person’s life. Good on you, Tastes of Chocolate. :slight_smile:

Hmmm. Interesting. I never knew you believed this. This is somewhat of a revelation.

I’ll have to muse on this for a bit, but as I said, this is interesting…

Well, maybe that was spoken in a little bit of haste. I think I would like to revise that simply to state that the government can take possession of a body if it is in a compelling public interest to do so (such as saving a life).

Given that, after the organs are transplanted, plenty of people will have made money on them, do you think the government would then owe the persons estate any money?

How’s anybody going to make money off them? :confused:

I guess I don’t have a problem with compensating survivors.

Surgeons have salaries. High salaries. I think at least some–most?–get payed per-operation. Nurses, anaesthetists, etc. also have salaries. Hospitals can be for-profit. Non-lifesaving organs, like bone and skin, are sold at a profit by organ brokers (Fear Itself gave this fascinating link earlier in the thread about it).

For this and many other reasons (e.g., the “the organs of those who lived without health insurance would be given to those have it” angle I discussed earlier), I’m completely against opt-out organ donation in the absence of a socialized health care system. And even then, I’d want the roll-out of the new system very heavily advertised, and also advertised by census takers, to make the number of people who didn’t know that they needed to opt-out (if that was their desire) as small as possible. It’s a pretty big change in the social contract.

I can’t say I’m ashamed of anyone. It really is their body/their choice. But I just don’t get it.

And that’s your personal choice. shrug Clearly, I think differently than you do.

Well, then, walk into the next estate sale you find and walk out again carrying anything you see that strikes your fancy. Mister Policeman will disabuse you of you notion.

Why “naw”? It is an inescapable corrolary of DtC’s position (by wearing a helmet, you are cheating the government of what he considers to be its property).

Also thank the history (1917-1991 being the most obvious recent example) that has discredited facile notions about the superiority of government ownership.

[QUOTE=Winkiewe need legislation nation-wide that would not allow the family to override the deceased’s wishes[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. My relatives have no more legitimate right to overrule my decisions about what I do with my organs when I’m done using them than they have to overrule my decisions about what I do with an old shirt when I’m done wearing it.