# Origin of the word Hobbit - reference on Vox.com **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2017, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/origin-of-the-word-hobbit-reference-on-vox-com/797164 "2017-09-24T11:36:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2017, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/origin-of-the-word-hobbit-reference-on-vox-com/797164/1 "2017-09-24T11:36:10Z")
I am not a Tolkien Guy, but respect the love, so wanted to share this in case Tolkien Dopers hadn’t seen it: Here is the link to a weekly round-up of events related to books and publishing: [On The Hobbit’s 80th birthday, here’s the twisty history of the word - Vox](https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/9/23/16345048/hobbit-80th-anniversary-jrr-tolkein-etymology) Included in the column: > [@](#): > > Having as far as he knew invented the word, Tolkien provided an imaginary etymology for hobbit, in order to fit the word into the linguistic landscape of Middle-earth. This was a remarkable feat of reverse engineering, not quite like any of his other etymological exploits amongst the tongues of Middle-earth. > > On encountering the Rohirrim, the hobbits notice that their speech contains many words that sound like Shire words but have a more archaic form. The prime example is their word for the hobbits themselves: holbytla. This is a well-formed Old English compound (because Tolkien represents the language of the Rohirrim as Old English). It is made up of hol ‘hole’ and bytla ‘builder’; it just happens, as far as we know, never to have existed in Old English, and if hobbit turned out to be a genuine word from folklore it is most unlikely that this would be its actual etymology. Is this commonly known to fans or is this new? Interesting to fans or meh? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/origin-of-the-word-hobbit-reference-on-vox-com/797164/2 "2017-09-24T12:29:18Z")
It’s right there in the books. I can see how someone uninterested in linguistics might gloss over it, but anyone who is interested would have noticed it. Unless that article goes on to say that the word “hobbit” actually was used in genuine, pre-Tolkien folklore? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/origin-of-the-word-hobbit-reference-on-vox-com/797164/3 "2017-09-24T14:17:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’s right there in the books. I can see how someone uninterested in linguistics might gloss over it, but anyone who is interested would have noticed it. > > Unless that article goes on to say that the word “hobbit” actually was used in genuine, pre-Tolkien folklore? This covers the limited prior use of the word Hobbit. [Hobbit (word) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit_(word)#Evidence_of_earlier_use) Tolkien Talked somewhere about Hob being a diminutive term. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/origin-of-the-word-hobbit-reference-on-vox-com/797164/4 "2017-09-24T16:10:20Z")
I’m sure JRRT encountered the term at some point in his readings of old folklore, and half-remembered it when he went on to write his book. As **What Exit** aptly points out, he did NOT claim to have coined it himself. And we hardcore students of JRRT (I’m definitely one of them, even if I’m a D- student) are aware of it. I won’t try to address what I think JRRT fans do or don’t know. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/origin-of-the-word-hobbit-reference-on-vox-com/797164/5 "2017-09-25T11:28:42Z")
I think you sell yourself short, **QtM**. IIRC it was you who, when some innocent asked about the origin of the elves, reeled off a three (long) paragraph answer finishing it off with, “I’m at work right now. I’ll give a better answer when I’m home and have access to my reference materials.” I, for one, gave up on HOME about halfway through the first book.