# Orly Taitz gets the judicial smackdown **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 18, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608 "2009-09-18T16:22:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/21 "2009-09-21T21:07:05Z")
> [@Typo\_Knig](#): > > I haven’t read many legal opinions. Leagl Dopers - how hard of a smackdown is this? It look like a pretty thorough smackdown to my untrained eyes, but how unusual is this kind of opinion? This is a bit snarkier than most. You could tell the judge was having fun. U.S. District Court Judge Sam Kent used to be good for some pungent stuff like that, [http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/skent1.html](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/skent1.html), but he has since resigned after being impeached by the House but before his trial began in the Senate, [Samuel B. Kent - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_B._Kent). ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/22 "2009-09-21T22:18:46Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > “Therefore, the Court finds that the > alleged document is unreliable due to counsel’s failure to properly > authenticate the document. See Fed. R. Evid. 901.” What’s this Rule 901 of which the judge speaks? I watch Fox News all the time, there is no need to present evidence to authenticate anything. All you have to do is talk about it and therefore it is true. The Court is obviously being too hard on Orly. ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/23 "2009-09-22T00:54:35Z")
Oh, well, it gets [even better](http://acandidworld.com/2009/03/13/turnabout-is-obama-denialist-orly-taitz-really-a-lawyer-will-she-be-for-long/), as Dr. Taitz apparently doesn’t have proper credentials to _really_ practice law at all: (parentheses are linked in the quoted article) > [@](#): > > Although Taitz is a member of the California Bar, she’s not listed as a member of the American Bar Association (check for yourself). Nor is her “law school” (William Howard Taft University) accredited by the ABA. Because Taft is a distance-learning school only, Taitz’s degree entitles her, at most, to practice in California, as her school candidly admits. > Rules of attorney discipline forbid the practice of law without a license – i.e., without sitting for and passing the bar exam, after graduating from an ABA-accredited school. Her correspondence degree is a limited exception, only useful in California. So, any action in which she appeared as counsel of record outside the state would constitute practicing law without a license, in violation of California disciplinary rules. Has “Dr.” Taitz violated this rule? Does her appearance before the Supreme Court, in filing documents for the frivolous, since-dismissed case Lightfoot v. Bowen, therefore subject her to discipline? I’d expect any judge dealing with her in court wants to pound the gavel on his head in frustration. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/24 "2009-09-22T02:03:24Z")
You don’t have to be a member of the American Bar Association to practice law. It’s a voluntary organization of lawyers nationwide. I used to be a member; now I’m not. It makes no difference as to whether or not I can appear in a courtroom. And once you’re actually admitted to the bar, any bar, it makes no difference as to whether or not your law school was accredited by the ABA. Land is a judge of the U. S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia. Presumably Taitz was permitted to appear in the case _pro hac vice_, by permission of the court, as often happens for out-of-state lawyers. She may be in trouble for her shoddy and lame case, but not for her status as a California lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/25 "2009-09-23T04:31:16Z")
This is what makes me giggle: > [@](#): > > “_Defendants shall recover their costs from Plaintiff._” > (From the opinon) That’s the final good swift kick in the pants… “_You suck. You lose. You can’t come back. And ya gotta pay, too._” ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/26 "2009-09-23T06:29:29Z")
Uh oh. [Orly’s client fires her, filing complaint with CA State Bar.](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/09/21/taitz_rhodes/) Apparently she filed motion on behalf of client without instructions. D’oh! ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/27 "2009-09-23T06:32:07Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Uh oh. > > [Orly’s client fires her, filing complaint with CA State Bar.](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/09/21/taitz_rhodes/) > > Apparently she filed motion on behalf of client without instructions. D’oh! Jeesh at this rate we’re going to need all new Justices, the current ones are going to have mysterious injuries involving their heads and a wall. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/28 "2009-09-23T07:10:48Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Uh oh. > > [Orly’s client fires her, filing complaint with CA State Bar.](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/09/21/taitz_rhodes/) > > Apparently she filed motion on behalf of client without instructions. D’oh! Since Capt. Connie Rhodes could be court-martialed for this, maybe she’s just trying to cover her own ass. Would she have backed out if the suit had succeeded? Oily Titz herself doesn’t believe Rhodes backed out: [Taitz: Ex-Client’s Letter Renouncing Me In Birther Case May Be A Forgery](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/taitz_client_letter_renouncing_me_may_be_forgery.php?ref=fpb) and planned to disregard Rhodes’s (seeming) wishes anyway: > [@](#): > > In the e-mail to TPMmuckraker (read it in full below), Taitz claims she was acting like any attorney would by not seeking “additional consent” from her client before filing what she refers to as a “Motion for reconsideration.” It was actually an emergency request for stay of deployment – which seems like the kind of thing you’d want to consult an Iraq-bound client about. I love that judge, btw! ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/29 "2009-09-23T07:28:59Z")
I just read the whole opinion. Fun stuff! Besides what’s already been mentioned, I liked this part too: > [@](#): > > Acknowledging the existence of a document > that shows the President was born in Hawaii, Plaintiff alleges that > the document “cannot be verified as genuine, and should be presumed > fraudulent.” (Id. ¶ 113 (emphasis added).) In further support of > her claim, Plaintiff relies upon “the general opinion in the rest of > the world” that “Barack Hussein Obama has, in essence, slipped > through the guardrails to become President.” (Id. ¶ 128.) **Moreover, > as though the “general opinion in the rest of the world” were not > enough, Plaintiff alleges in her Complaint that according to an “AOL > poll 85% of Americans believe that Obama was not vetted, needs to be > vetted and his vital records need to be produced.”** It’s like he added that bit of OT’s nonsense just to make absolutely sure people reading the opinion KNEW that Taitz was a loonball. An AOL poll as “evidence.” Wow! ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/30 "2009-09-23T09:18:40Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Since Capt. Connie Rhodes could be court-martialed for this, maybe she’s just trying to cover her own ass. Would she have backed out if the suit had succeeded? > > Oily Titz herself doesn’t believe Rhodes backed out: > > [Taitz: Ex-Client’s Letter Renouncing Me In Birther Case May Be A Forgery](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/taitz_client_letter_renouncing_me_may_be_forgery.php?ref=fpb) > > and planned to disregard Rhodes’s (seeming) wishes anyway: Fuck that’s funny! Btw, did you know that Titz is a dentist too? “Need a root canal with a side of legal crazy? Call Orly Taitz Inc.!” ---
**Author:** ![MerryMagdalen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@MerryMagdalen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MerryMagdalen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/31 "2009-09-23T09:28:23Z")
Ok, after seeing this woman over and over for months my question is: When are we going to see Orly Taitz porn? Blonde, big made-up eyes…she’s ripe for something along the lines of “Nailin’ Palin” or whatever it was. Title contest starts now! ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/32 "2009-09-23T09:54:49Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Fuck that’s funny! > > Btw, did you know that Titz is a dentist too? > > “Need a root canal with a side of legal crazy? Call Orly Taitz Inc.!” AND she’s a [real estate agent](http://wikiality.wikia.com/Orly_Taitz)! Dentist, real estate agent, half-assed lawyer, total loonball. The woman is a marvel! MerryMagdalen, how about **Birthin’ with Oily Titz**? ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/33 "2009-09-23T09:54:54Z")
I don’t think there’s much of a market in the porn industry for batshit crazy middle aged women who CAN’T SHUT THE FUCK UP! I could be wrong though. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/34 "2009-09-23T09:56:29Z")
Oh, there’s a fetish for everything under the sun, and moon, and Kenya. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/35 "2009-09-23T09:59:50Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Oh, there’s a fetish for everything under the sun, and moon, and Kenya. You’re right. I remember many years ago scanning a porn shop in Amsterdam and being completely blown away by the weird stuff on display. (Is that chocolate sauce on her face? OH NO!!!) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/36 "2009-09-23T13:53:31Z")
Word. Dave Barry once wrote that if you did an Internet search for pictures of people having sex with goats that were on fire, you’d probably get a prompt, “What kind of goat?” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/37 "2009-09-23T14:07:09Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Since Capt. Connie Rhodes could be court-martialed for this, maybe she’s just trying to cover her own ass. Would she have backed out if the suit had succeeded? > > Oily Titz herself doesn’t believe Rhodes backed out: > > [Taitz: Ex-Client’s Letter Renouncing Me In Birther Case May Be A Forgery](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/taitz_client_letter_renouncing_me_may_be_forgery.php?ref=fpb) > > and planned to disregard Rhodes’s (seeming) wishes anyway: Based on Taitz’ actions and statements, it’s fairly plausible that Taitz filed without instructions… Rhodes could make a good case that Taitz has destroyed her career. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/38 "2009-09-23T15:46:09Z")
So is there some kind of law that says one batshit crazy lawyer must be in the news at all times? Anti-game Jack Thompson finally got disbarred and laughed out of court, and now Taitz is stepping up the insanity. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/39 "2009-09-23T15:55:29Z")
> [@MerryMagdalen](#): > > Ok, after seeing this woman over and over for months my question is: When are we going to see Orly Taitz porn? > > Blonde, big made-up eyes…she’s ripe for something along the lines of “Nailin’ Palin” or whatever it was. > > Title contest starts now! [Orly? Ya Rly](http://media.photobucket.com/image/orly%20taitz/chibacat1/OrlyTaitzLOL.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608/40 "2009-09-23T16:21:30Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > AND she’s a [real estate agent](http://wikiality.wikia.com/Orly_Taitz)! Dentist, real estate agent, half-assed lawyer, total loonball. The woman is a marvel! I clicked her interview link from **elelle** and I can’t wait for Orly to try to fill the shoes of the late great Mel Blanc. “Ssssssh! Be Vewwwy vewwwy Qwuiet…! We’re fiwwing Wahsuits! Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-gets-the-judicial-smackdown/510608.md?page=3)