# Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 21, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633 "2011-11-21T13:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/1 "2011-11-21T13:11:02Z")
[The story](http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/293101/birther-challenges-obama?CSAuthResp=1321637227%3Ar3o2r2o1sv4ecen41ghnmic6m7%3ACSUserId%7CCSGroupId%3Aapproved%3ABD2D24EBD957457785F170038C3DE812&CSUserId=94&CSGroupId=1) :eek: I figured the good doctor was going to sit this election out since Donald Trump had already solved the mystery. It did not take long for her to get an answer. [The answer.](http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/293382/birther-bid-to-derail-obama-blocked?CSAuthResp=1321880767%3Am78jaqtkk6mqaq4r5k203lc8n0%3ACSUserId%7CCSGroupId%3Aapproved%3A87D6D1CAF7D9A96AB453088A28F375F1&CSUserId=94&CSGroupId=1)😃 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/2 "2011-11-21T13:50:41Z")
The whole Birther movement is beyond retarded. The first (and in my opinion most logically consequent) question would be: “what would hypothetically convince you that Obama is a United States citizen?” First they asked for his birth certificate. When it was supplied, they demanded the long-form version. When _that_ was supplied, they cried that it was a forgery. Meanwhile there is absolutely no evidence that would indicate that he’s _not_ a US citizen, and sufficient evidence to the contrary to place severe doubt on that position. But furthermore… _what’s the big deal_? It’s a part of the constitution that has become truly no longer relevant in today’s world. If Obama wasn’t a US citizen, it would be a legal catastrophe… But this isn’t some issue like him passing wide-spread censorship laws, or outlawing the ownership of anything more dangerous than a pair of safety scissors, or declaring war on Russia. This is him _not being a born citizen_. That’s not a huge deal. At least, not 3-year-long, fanatic-devotion witch hunt level. It has absolutely no effect on his ability to implement policy or make decisions in the name of the USA – _we voted for him, remember_? The Birthers are on a similar mental level to those who doubt the veracity of the moon landing or who believe that 9/11 was a controlled demolition, and the fact that we have representatives in congress who believe this is kinda depressing. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/3 "2011-11-21T15:15:55Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > But furthermore… _what’s the big deal_? It’s a part of the constitution that has become truly no longer relevant in today’s world. If Obama wasn’t a US citizen, it would be a legal catastrophe… But this isn’t some issue like him passing wide-spread censorship laws, or outlawing the ownership of anything more dangerous than a pair of safety scissors, or declaring war on Russia. This is him _not being a born citizen_. That’s not a huge deal. At least, not 3-year-long, fanatic-devotion witch hunt level. It has absolutely no effect on his ability to implement policy or make decisions in the name of the USA – _we voted for him, remember_? If there were any validity to the Birther claims, then, yes, it would be a big deal that the President is legally ineligible. If you think that this provision of the Constitution is “no longer relevant in today’s world”, then the proper response is to amend the Constitution to repeal it. That said, the Birthers are in fact a cavalcade of crackpots who can produce no substantiation whatsoever for their bizarre conspiracy theories, so the question is moot (except insofar as it forces evaluation of how, exactly, the eligibility of a Presidential candidate is to be confirmed in general)\> ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/4 "2011-11-21T16:13:14Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > If there were any validity to the Birther claims, then, yes, it would be a big deal that the President is legally ineligible. If you think that this provision of the Constitution is “no longer relevant in today’s world”, then the proper response is to amend the Constitution to repeal it. I mean on a purely moral level. I’m aware that it would be a legal disaster, but I don’t really care; it wouldn’t really mean anything if our laws weren’t stupid. > [@](#): > > That said, the Birthers are in fact a cavalcade of crackpots who can produce no substantiation whatsoever for their bizarre conspiracy theories, so the question is moot (except insofar as it forces evaluation of how, exactly, the eligibility of a Presidential candidate is to be confirmed in general)\> I loved that one skit where Jon Stewart demanded to see Trump’s birth certificate because he was eating pizza with a fork. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/5 "2011-11-21T16:45:57Z")
Obama, and the family who raised him in entirety, are all descendants of old stock Americans. Their heritage literally goes back to the Mayflower. In their minds, his African biological dad makes all of this irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/6 "2011-11-21T16:53:40Z")
100% of Birthers are racists, retards, or some combination thereof. There are no exceptions to this rule. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/7 "2011-11-21T16:54:49Z")
Some of the quotes from Taitz’ supporters are awesome! Check these out: > [@](#): > > “There’s sufficient controversy that I want it investigated,” Rappaport, a Ron Paul supporter, said yesterday. “Every time this is brought up . . . we get a lot of flak, but we’ve never gotten an answer.” Yeah, I guess those birth certificates weren’t “an answer” somehow. How? > [@](#): > > “I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but even I could take that apart and see that it was fraudulent,” Rappaport said of the long-form certificate. Indeed, neither you nor your comrades-in-arms are the sharpest knives in any drawer. > [@](#): > > Lucien Vita said the birth certificate issue “should have been put to bed years ago” and also believes the documents released by Obama were forged. > > “Don’t believe anything you read and only half of what you see,” he said. I’m pretty sure that’s not exactly what Ben Franklin said. You got the quote you are basing your argument and philosophy on wrong, but you still want me to give credence to your suppositions? > [@](#): > > Vita said he’s confident the Republican candidates are American citizens “because these people have all held other state offices” - though he acknowledged that could also apply to Obama, who was a U.S. senator before being elected president. > > “We know where they were born,” Vita said of the Republicans. “There’s a level of credibility with Obama that has not sufficiently been met in my eyes. If he’s a citizen, he should be able to prove it.” :eek: Are you fucking kidding me? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/8 "2011-11-21T17:07:02Z")
:smack: Oh my god, I thought this idiot hung herself out of shame when Obama finally humored the squawking jerks by showing his full form cert to everyone. Speaking of idiocy from the Taintz crowd: > [@](#): > > “I have doubts because of the delay in the time it actually took to come out with a long-form birth certificate,” Vita said. “I don’t want to go through another four years of the same tripe.” Oh dear. The short form certificate wasn’t enough, so he brought out the long form so you all would quit this silliness, but you don’t buy that either because he took too long? What else could he possibly do at this point to silence this circus? I already knew there’s nothing Obama or anyone can say or do to prove his citizenship to these clowns, but actually reading their idiocy in print (again… I don’t know why I click on links like this that I know will only irritate me) I get a headache from their illogic on top of the ache I already had this morning from a vicious, vicious hangover. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/9 "2011-11-21T17:10:11Z")
What can he possible give to her now? The short form, not good enough. Long form, not good enough. What does she need ,movies of his birth? Then she would say they were faked. Birthers are really crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/10 "2011-11-21T17:13:32Z")
I swear to God it’s only a matter of time before one of these lunatics does something violent. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/11 "2011-11-21T17:16:05Z")
These are people who are desperate to get Obama out of office any way they can and they’re searching for reasons. This comes from their fear his Presidency will result in… uh… something. I can’t quite figure out what that something is. Cats sleeping with dogs, gays marrying, blacks and whites marrying, brown people moving in next door, healthy school lunches, death panels, communism, fascism, Sharia law, terrorism, a Muslim dictatorship by Christian minister Reverend Wright. I don’t know. I can’t figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/12 "2011-11-21T17:16:32Z")
There’s the sensible party, the silly party, and the birthers or the [Raving Looney Party](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU). Four state legislators are in on this! Four! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/13 "2011-11-21T17:19:14Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > What can he possible give to her now? The short form, not good enough. Long form, not good enough. What does she need ,movies of his birth? Then she would say they were faked. > Birthers are really crazy. Movies of his birth on an Hawaiian beach with Don Ho and Jack Lord in attendance wouldn’t convince these people. ---
**Author:** ![howye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9adbd/32.png) [@howye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/howye)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/14 "2011-11-21T17:19:54Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I don’t know. I can’t figure it out. And neither can they. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/15 "2011-11-21T17:23:00Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Movies of his birth on an Hawaiian beach with Don Ho and Jack Lord in attendance wouldn’t convince these people. But I would totally favorite that on YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/16 "2011-11-21T17:29:05Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Movies of his birth on an Hawaiian beach with Don Ho and Jack Lord in attendance wouldn’t convince these people. Birth Certificate him, Danno. ---
**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/17 "2011-11-21T20:07:14Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > There’s the sensible party, the silly party, and the birthers or the [Raving Looney Party](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU). Perhaps [this one](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party) would work as well. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/18 "2011-11-21T20:30:46Z")
The ONLY thing that Obama can give these people that will shut them up is a letter that contains the sentence, “I hereby resign as President of the United States.” That’s what they really want. I’d be willing to bet all the money in my pockets right now that most of the Birthers don’t believe there’s a problem with his citizenship. They just don’t want him in office, and this is the way they think they can accomplish that task, by getting enough idiots out there to believe there’s something fishy. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/19 "2011-11-21T22:56:30Z")
So part of the argument now is that he may hypothetically be a _dual citizen?_ Since countries can pretty much decide who is and who isn’t a citizen (yeah, I know, it’s not that easy) I would _love it_ if random countries would unilaterally declare the next Republican candidate a citizen. Canada, Germany, maybe we can get South Korea in on it (OMG he’s a COMMIE!). I want to watch people’s heads explode. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/20 "2011-11-21T23:32:06Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#): > > So part of the argument now is that he may hypothetically be a _dual citizen?_ He was, technically, a dual citizen of the U.S. and Kenya as a minor. In order to retain his Kenyan citizenship, he needed to proactively accept it, and affirmatively renounce his U.S. citizenship at the age of majority. He did not do so, and hence does not have Kenyan citizenship. He was never an Indonesian citizen. You’ve got to keep in mind, these people are nuts. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633.md?page=2)