# Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 21, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633 "2011-11-21T13:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/181 "2011-12-22T17:09:36Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You just made a point and then refuted it in the same post. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that done before. No, I didn’t! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/182 "2011-12-22T17:10:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [I think I’d start here.](http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=urbanlegends&cdn=newsissues&tm=13&gps=390_431_1276_823&f=00&su=p284.12.336.ip_p504.1.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&st=10&zu=http%3A//voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/12/08/supreme_court_declines_to_hear.html) AHHH, a link to NOWHERE! NICE! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/183 "2011-12-22T17:12:24Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, I’m asking for the group or individual that is telling you what \*\*spin \*\*to apply to the library of congress, it is clear that your real and true sources are misleading you on what it really does say, and it does say that Obama has the right to be president, as all branches of government have declared so also. How do you know, when you haven’t even looked at the video or sources? LOLOL, FUNNY! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/184 "2011-12-22T17:18:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m sorry to crush your dream. > > OK, that’s a lie. I’m not sorry. Even if we put aside the race issue (because there are some nasty racists holding this opinion), the view that Obama isn’t a citizen is a sad and desperate delusion. Until you look at the video and SEE the facts, there is no sense debating with you. I have the facts and you don’t and others can SEE that. Watch the videos and SEE my sources and original documents and then maybe I will listen to your assumptions! > [@Marley23](#): > > Incidentally, you _do_ think the president was really born in Kenya, right? YES, I do and my facts prove that as well! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/185 "2011-12-22T17:19:38Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > How do you know, when you haven’t even looked at the video or sources? LOLOL, FUNNY! Nah, I already know thanks to other respected posters, what **we do know** is that you skipped on purpose the MSNBC cite I brought that showed the legislative and the executive (Congress voting declaring that Obama was born in Hawai and the governor of Hawai) saying the Obama has the right to be president. This is evidence that you are not really capable of judging who is a good source and who is a bad one. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/186 "2011-12-22T17:21:40Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Loophole, what loophole is that? The Library of Congress? You’re very bad at these sarcastic rhetorical questions. I am not sure why you are even bothering to ask because you’ve already explained what your loophole is: the phrasing used by Trumbull. > [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > AHHH, a link to NOWHERE! NICE! The link works, but maybe you’re having a firewall issue. [Here’s a more direct link.](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/12/08/supreme_court_declines_to_hear.html) In any case, it’s a link to a Washington Post article from December 2008. It begins this way: > [@](#): > > The Supreme Court this morning unceremoniously declined to hear an emergency appeal from a man who claimed President-elect Barack Obama is not qualified for the presidency because he is not a “natural-born” citizen. > > The court without comment declined to hear “Donofrio v. Wells,” a suit that had attempted to keep Obama off the New Jersey ballot. Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick had claimed Obama had dual nationality at birth, because of his Kansas-born mother and his Kenyan-born father, who was a British subject at the time. This seems to be the exact same argument you’re making, just with a slightly different basis. > [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Until you look at the video and SEE the facts, there is no sense debating with you. I don’t need to see your video. > [@](#): > > YES, I do and my facts prove that as well! And yet you’re relying on this 14th amendment issue. I guess this reflects the fact that you realize most people think the theory is silly. Which it is. It’s not even a legalistic argument. It’s a theory that nobody should believe because it’s ridiculous on its face. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/187 "2011-12-22T17:23:03Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > No, I didn’t! Of course you did. You claimed that state courts have no jurisdiction then admitted that your claim _was_ brought in state court. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/188 "2011-12-22T17:25:12Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > AHHH, a link to NOWHERE! NICE! One just needs to look at the link that was broken to see that is referring to the supreme court refusing to even hear the previous challenge based on Birther nonsense: [http://www.legalnewsline.com/news/217841-supreme-court-declines-to-hear-obama-citizenship-challenge](http://www.legalnewsline.com/news/217841-supreme-court-declines-to-hear-obama-citizenship-challenge) Not hard to figure out, but as pointed out before, you are not really good at finding good information. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/189 "2011-12-22T17:25:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nah, I already know thanks to other respected posters, what **we do know** is that you skipped on purpose the MSNBC cite I brought that showed the legislative and the executive (Congress voting declaring that Obama was born in Hawai and the governor of Hawai) saying the Obama has the right to be president. > > This is evidence that you are not really capable of judging who is a good source and who is a bad one. Did you see the resolution Obama and Hillary signed that proves McCain is a Natural Born Citizen? It clearly states: "Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/190 "2011-12-22T17:27:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re very bad at these sarcastic rhetorical questions. I am not sure why you are even bothering to ask because you’ve already explained what your loophole is: the phrasing used by Trumbull. > The link works, but maybe you’re having a firewall issue. [Here’s a more direct link.](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/12/08/supreme_court_declines_to_hear.html) In any case, it’s a link to a Washington Post article from December 2008. It begins this way: > > This seems to be the exact same argument you’re making, just with a slightly different basis. > I don’t need to see your video. > And yet you’re relying on this 14th amendment issue. I guess this reflects the fact that you realize most people think the theory is silly. Which it is. It’s not even a legalistic argument. It’s a theory that nobody should believe because it’s ridiculous on its face. WOMP WOMP WOMP Keep your head in the sand, that’s your problem! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/191 "2011-12-22T17:29:38Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > WOMP WOMP WOMP > > Keep your head in the sand, that’s your problem! Is that supposed to be the sound of me sticking my head in the sand? Why does sand make a WOMP sound? I’d expect more of a scratchy sound as I twisted my head around to burrow it down there. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/192 "2011-12-22T17:31:09Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Did you see the resolution Obama and Hillary signed that proves McCain is a Natural Born Citizen? If a Congressional resolution “proves” citizenship, then Congress’ certification of the electoral college votes proves that Obama is eligible to be President. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/193 "2011-12-22T17:31:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Of course you did. You claimed that state courts have no jurisdiction then admitted that your claim _was_ brought in state court. Until the Congress makes an amendment to the Constitution, it doesn’t matter what a state CASE says what a Natural Born Citizen is! However, on a totally different issue of Election Law, they states are the ones who vet a candidate to be on the ballot. All they need to do is look at the law and the Library of Congress sources that I supply which proves what a Natural Born Citizen is and then he will not be allowed on the ballot. No messing with Constitutional amendments! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/194 "2011-12-22T17:32:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Is that supposed to be the sound of me sticking my head in the sand? Why does sand make a WOMP sound? I’d expect more of a scratchy sound as I twisted my head around to burrow it down there. NO, that’s the Charlie Brown teacher! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/195 "2011-12-22T17:33:24Z")
The states all determined that Obama was eligible in 2008. Why would 2012 be different? Do you think they all forgot about the 14th amendment in 2008? ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/196 "2011-12-22T17:34:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If a Congressional resolution “proves” citizenship, then Congress’ certification of the electoral college votes proves that Obama is eligible to be President. Not when Nancy Pelosi has to forge Obama’s eligibility papers in Hawaii…why did she do that and remove the Constitutional Clause from the form? ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/197 "2011-12-22T17:36:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The states all determined that Obama was eligible in 2008. Why would 2012 be different? Do you think they all forgot about the 14th amendment in 2008? NOT Hawaii. Pelosi’s changed the wording and took out the constitutional clause, so Hawaii did NOT say he was eligible! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/198 "2011-12-22T17:36:33Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > NO, that’s the Charlie Brown teacher! And she stuck her head in the sand? I think most people represent [her voice](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU) as “Wah wah wah,” since the sound was made by a muted trombone. WOMP sounds more like a collision. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/199 "2011-12-22T17:38:04Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Not when Nancy Pelosi has to forge Obama’s eligibility papers in Hawaii…why did she do that and remove the Constitutional Clause from the form? What does Pelosi have to do with this? When did she become a master forger. > [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > NOT Hawaii. Pelosi’s changed the wording and took out the constitutional clause, so Hawaii did NOT say he was eligible! Obama was on the ballot in Hawaii both in the primaries and the general election. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/200 "2011-12-22T17:45:51Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Not when Nancy Pelosi has to forge Obama’s eligibility papers in Hawaii…why did she do that and remove the Constitutional Clause from the form? You _can_ substantiate this apparently absurd claim, right? > [@](#): > > Until the Congress makes an amendment to the Constitution, it doesn’t matter what a state CASE says what a Natural Born Citizen is! However, on a totally different issue of Election Law, they states are the ones who vet a candidate to be on the ballot. All they need to do is look at the law and the Library of Congress sources that I supply which proves what a Natural Born Citizen is and then he will not be allowed on the ballot. The state court has to apply the federal law to the circumstances. When you go to court, you will be asking them to apply a federal law in order to determine whether Obama is eligible to appear on the state’s ballot. In order to do _that_, the state court will have to determine for itself whether Obama is a natural born citizen under federal law. I think what you mean is that the decision of an Indiana court is not controlling in another state’s courts, and you are correct. However, the court of your state will apply the same reasoning and come to the same conclusion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633.md?page=11)