# Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 21, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633 "2011-11-21T13:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/221 "2011-12-22T19:12:45Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Well, are all these people lying? > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzFIvCy\_iQ](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzFIvCy_iQ) No, they’re incorrect. Newspapers sometimes print stuff that is incorrect, especially about foreign countries. I appreciate your use of African-sounding drum music, though. That doesn’t come across as a racial taunt at all. > [@](#): > > Is the Kenyan Parliament lying? > Is the Kenyan Ambassador to the US lying? > Is Michelle Obama lying? > Is Obama’s grandmother lying? > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI6TG2bJnvQ](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI6TG2bJnvQ) See, this is where all conspiracy theories fall apart. A bunch of very powerful people have pulled off some kind of elaborate and complex fraud and they’ve done it almost perfectly, but they keep accidentally admitting the truth in public and printing it over and over again in newspapers. (And newspapers and public statements are reliable, but birth certificates are untrustworthy.) If Michelle Obama were covering up the fact that her husband was born in Kenya, she wouldn’t go around saying it in public. (Nevermind that she’s obviously saying that Kenya is where the Obama family is from.) Neither would the other conspirators. It doesn’t make any sense to assume people are behaving this way. You don’t keep something a secret by telling millions of people. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/222 "2011-12-22T19:14:06Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Nope, you are! > > Watch, you’ll see in the next few months! Oh, I think you’ll find that those who have been paid off to MANIPULATE the evidence for you are not as RELIABLE as you might think. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/223 "2011-12-22T19:14:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > She was the Speaker of the House, not the Leader of the Birth Certificate Department. > My first guess is that she didn’t because it sounds like yet another obvious falsehood. I don’t suppose you have a credible citation, do you? > That doesn’t answer my question. Just for fun, [here’s an extensive list of failed challenges to Obama’s eligibility and citizenship.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation) Sorry, but you can’t fail until the case is heard on the merits, why is Obama so afraid to get to the merits of the case? Why is he spending millions to hide this and to keep it from going to court on the merits? Is he afraid of something? ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/224 "2011-12-22T19:15:48Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Occupying the White House while black. I wish Cain (A REAL Black man) would have made it to the White House! I LOVE Herman Cain and he too knows Obama is illegal! ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/225 "2011-12-22T19:19:11Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Watch, you’ll see in the next few months! I hope so. I hope you take this to the courts. Take it to the courts of all 50 states. Appeal it up through the state and federal court systems. I don’t care if it takes every last penny you and and your team of attorneys have. In fact, I encourage that. Mortgage your houses, sell your furniture, put your children to work. Do it all. Spend until there’s nothing left for you to spend. Ask all those who believe as you do to contribute their all as well. Nothing less is acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/226 "2011-12-22T19:19:26Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Sorry, but you can’t fail until the case is heard on the merits, why is Obama so afraid to get to the merits of the case? Why is he spending millions to hide this and to keep it from going to court on the merits? Is he afraid of something? Again, [here’s a list of lawsuits related to Obama’s eligibility](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation). Are you really claiming to be unaware of this? Obama has not spent millions of dollars fighting these lawsuits - that’s also been debunked. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/227 "2011-12-22T19:22:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > A bunch of very powerful people have pulled off some kind of elaborate and complex fraud and they’ve done it almost perfectly… NOW you’re getting it! And yes, not perfectly…although they were able to wipe several Supreme Court Cases off the internet which prove what Natural Born Citizen is, they were not able to erase the Congressional debates leading up to the adoption of the 14th amendment… So, they have pulled off nothing and we will stop the Usurper in the White House before the 2012 election, mark my words! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/228 "2011-12-22T19:24:56Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > 1. Soc Sec Fraud, using a SSN that was issued to someone in 1890. The Social Security Act was not passed until 1935. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/229 "2011-12-22T19:25:19Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Again, [here’s a list of lawsuits related to Obama’s eligibility](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation). Are you really claiming to be unaware of this? Obama has not spent millions of dollars fighting these lawsuits - that’s also been debunked. I have been following this for over 3 years, of course of know of the dozens and dozens of cases that have been dismissed 100% on technicalities. Orly and I are very close and email on a daily basis. None have been heard on the merits. Why are you so afraid of a case on the merits? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/230 "2011-12-22T19:26:21Z")
Why are you people even arguing with hir? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/231 "2011-12-22T19:27:45Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > NOW you’re getting it! > > And yes, not perfectly…although they were able to wipe several Supreme Court Cases off the internet which prove what Natural Born Citizen is, they were not able to erase the Congressional debates leading up to the adoption of the 14th amendment… > > So, they have pulled off nothing and we will stop the Usurper in the White House before the 2012 election, mark my words! Joe Biden? He’s a lovable goof, what do you have against him? ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/232 "2011-12-22T19:28:14Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The Social Security Act was not passed until 1935. The person that originally had the number was born in 1890, who knows WHEN he was given the number, but when he applied for it, it was added to record of when he was born in 1890. The 1890 note is still on the record even though obama took over the number. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/233 "2011-12-22T19:29:49Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Why are you people even arguing with hir? Because they have to fill the board up, so it pushes back my facts to were others can’t see them! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/234 "2011-12-22T19:30:58Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Joe Biden? He’s a lovable goof, what do you have against him? Uh Yea, and the Taliban is our FRIEND! Tell me another one! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/235 "2011-12-22T19:32:22Z")
The Straight Dope, fits very nicely! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/236 "2011-12-22T19:42:09Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > NOW you’re getting it! Except they keep accidentally telling everybody about it, according to you. Brilliant plotting. > [@](#): > > So, they have pulled off nothing and we will stop the Usurper in the White House before the 2012 election, mark my words! You won’t. And if your arguing style in court is as bad as what I’m seeing here, it’s going to be a short hearing. > [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > I have been following this for over 3 years, of course of know of the dozens and dozens of cases that have been dismissed 100% on technicalities. No, they haven’t. Many were dismissed because the plaintiffs didn’t have standing - and I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t have it either - but not all of them. The Donofrio case was appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. Donofrio lost, and his argument appears to be very similar to yours: he said Obama wasn’t a natural born citizen because his father would’ve also had British citizenship. Wrotnowski also made that argument and was shot down. Ankeny’s case also looks extremely similar to yours. Other posters have already made reference to this and noted that the court made its decision based on [Wong Kim Ark](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Kim_Ark). I think the 9th Circuit rejected Barnett’s case today, but I’m not positive. > [@](#): > > Orly and I are very close and email on a daily basis. None have been heard on the merits. This is wrong. But Orly Taitz is the Washington Generals of the birther movement, so I would not be surprised if she steered you wrong. I hope she’s not your dentist. > [@](#): > > Why are you so afraid of a case on the merits? This is annoying and deeply obnoxious. Nobody has expressed any fear. Everybody has said they’re confident you will lose because many other people have done what you’re doing and also lost. No doubt you’re aware , if you are actually friends with the Washington Generals of the birther movement. Why do you keep saying people are afraid? You’re going to have your hearing and you’re going to lose like all these other people did. Many of them didn’t have standing and you probably won’t either. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/237 "2011-12-22T19:42:26Z")
With a name like KenyanBornObama, you know they’re not a one-trick pony with an axe to grind. I am excited to see what other witticisms and probing insights they’ll have in matters of science, philosophy, and literary criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/238 "2011-12-22T19:45:46Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Because they have to fill the board up, so it pushes back my facts to were others can’t see them! That’s the opposite of how message boards work: responding to a topic makes it more visible. But do go on. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/239 "2011-12-22T19:45:52Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Sorry, but you can’t fail until the case is heard on the merits, why is Obama so afraid to get to the merits of the case? Why is he spending millions to hide this and to keep it from going to court on the merits? Is he afraid of something? Nobody is spending any money to keep the case from being heard on its “merits”. I’ve already provided you with the Indiana decision which _does_ include consideration of the merits and you have handwaved it away. Standing and jurisdiction must be considered before anything else. If the plaintiff has no standing or the court does not have jurisdiction, it has no business rendering an opinion. That’s why nobody bothers to rule on the merits- because they can’t (or shouldn’t, at least). ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/240 "2011-12-22T19:46:28Z")
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