# Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 21, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633 "2011-11-21T13:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/302 "2011-12-26T23:09:02Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > First they have to prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii, though. My personal theory is that he was born in Hawaii but the birth was registered in Kenya. I reckon it went something like this: > [@](#): > > **Hawaiian Doctor:** All right, Mrs Obama, the baby’s coming but just needs a little help getting out. Now when I tell you to, I want you to give one last really big push. Are you ready? One…two…three…PUSH! > > **Mrs Obama:** Nggggggg… > > \ > > \ > > **Doctor:** Well that was different. Wow. Um. Been doing our Kegel exercises, have we, Mrs O? Let’s see. Nurse, could you please bring me a globe, a calculator and a telephone. Thank you. Now it went off in _that_ direction, we’ll estimate speed and trajectory, correct for windage… > > \ > > Operator, could you get me Mombasa General in Kenya, please? Thank you, I’ll wait. Hmm. Ah, hello. Mombasa General? This is Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr in Honolulu. Hfuhruhurr. No, _Hfuhruhurr_. H-F-U…look, it doesn’t matter. Listen, you might want to get a pediatrician up to your roof with a catcher’s mitt - you’ve got incoming. Hey, it’s certainly more plausible than anything KBO has proposed here. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/303 "2011-12-26T23:35:27Z")
Is Uumellmahaye a popular Kenyan surname? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/304 "2011-12-27T00:09:35Z")
[Scene from later that day…](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU4RD2f2BnY) ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/305 "2011-12-27T00:57:05Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Is Uumellmahaye a popular Kenyan surname? I don’t know, but her voice sounds exactly like Sissy Spacek. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/306 "2011-12-27T02:08:58Z")
You can tell it’s nonsense because Birthers (including the dearly departed) claim Obama isn’t a citizen _at all_, rather than just a natural born citizen. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/307 "2011-12-27T02:27:25Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > \<…\> > > Courts have specifically thrown out this claim as nutso but KBO refuses to recognize that because that would undermine the whole argument. > > \<…\> I think it’s at least equally likely that KBO, Orly et al. refuse to recognize the courts’ dismissals because there was a gold fringe on the flag\*. \*According to conspiracy theorists in general and tax protestors in particular, the presence of a gold fringe on the flag indicates that it’s an Admiralty court and/or operating under martial law, making any decision it renders inapplicable to sovereign citizens. I attempted to find a good link explaining this, but most of what I saw was enough to induce brain damage. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/308 "2011-12-27T02:40:02Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > I think it’s at least equally likely that KBO, Orly et al. refuse to recognize the courts’ dismissals because there was a gold fringe on the flag\*. > > \*According to conspiracy theorists in general and tax protestors in particular, the presence of a gold fringe on the flag indicates that it’s an Admiralty court and/or operating under martial law, making any decision it renders inapplicable to sovereign citizens. I attempted to find a good link explaining this, but most of what I saw was enough to induce brain damage. Start [here.](http://www.adl.org/mwd/suss1.asp) You’ll find that and much besides. There is a curious strain of American far-RW populists that emerged in the 1960s, perhaps, who, near as I can figure, simply do not seem to accept the legitimacy of the modern, post-Civil-Rights-Revolution American political system. They’re like Catholic [Sedevacantists,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism) they think the America they were born into or should have been has somehow been usurped by an unconstitutional order. And they think they are not only as qualified but as authorized to interpret the law as the courts are. Sometimes they even set up their own “courts.” ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/309 "2011-12-27T03:36:14Z")
I’ve quickly scanned this thread, and missed the point where **KBO** gets banned. Could someone give a link to that vicinity? Was it in this thread? Was it **Marley23** who did the evil deed, or one of the other moderators? I won’t dispute that Mr. KBO was far out there and violated a few board rules here (to-wit: Don’t piss off the moderator! 😛 ) but I’m having a bit of a problem with the principle of the thing in this case. Two points: [ul] [li] As obnoxious and (dare I say it), uh, … _imperfectly informed_ as Mr. KBO seemed to be, it did seem that a lot of people on this thread were having a lot of fun with this, perhaps at KBO’s expense. Why do we need to ban someone or even simply lock a thread (as I have seen done a few times) when in fact there is a discussion on-going and people are interested in it? ETA: It comes off looking like the moderator is deciding what topics we are allowed to discuss, a.k.a., censorship.[/li] Onomatopoeia: “Let’s start a petition to bring her back. She was fun.” Oliveritaly: “Awww Marley… It was just getting really good, then you banned him … Fun while it lasted I guess.” … and others. [li] Clearly, **Marley23** posted several comments earlier in the thread indicating increasing annoyance with KBO. So what was the last straw that did it? (Sorry, like I said, I skimmed this thread and missed it.) More to the point, Marley engaged KBO in actual debate in a number of his posts. Something seems wrong when a moderator first engages the problematic poster in debate and then bans him. This comes off just too close to looking like the moderator bans someone that he disagrees with.[/li] Once a moderator engages a poster in discussion, should that moderator recuse himself from moderating that thread, handing any such decisions off to a guest moderator? [/ul] (Not sure if this post belongs here in this thread that it’s about, or should be in ATMB.) ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/310 "2011-12-27T04:06:47Z")
I for one don’t have any problems with booting some whackjob out of a message board dedicated to fighting ignorance. Some people can’t or won’t engage with facts and logic and, you know, reality. When we’re just spinning our wheels engaging some troll or wingnut, I don’t see the point. YMMV, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/311 "2011-12-27T04:17:48Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I’ve quickly scanned this thread, and missed the point where **KBO** gets banned. Could someone give a link to that vicinity? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14594020&postcount=246](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14594020&postcount=246) It appears it was for being a troll, and on general principles for being a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/312 "2011-12-27T12:44:34Z")
KBO’s remark to me about FEMA camps (pointed out above by **Fear Itself** ) was so over the top that it appeared, at least to me, that KBO was simply trolling and probably not even sincere in her arguments. Apparently **Marley23** felt the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/313 "2011-12-27T14:32:09Z")
I think it was more that she was just _too_ fucking crazy at that point. Given her YouTube account it seems clear that she’s not just trolling- or that she puts an unprecedented level of effort in if she is. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/314 "2011-12-27T16:29:39Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Was it **Marley23** who did the evil deed, or one of the other moderators? It was me. I don’t doubt **KenyanBornObama** ’s sincerity. Since her grasp of reality was tenuous to begin with, I figured we were not going to get any more quasi-rational posts from her once she started talking about Obama throwing everybody into FEMA camps. Discussion of moderating goes in ATMB, but I’ll point out that I’m essentially the only mod for this forum ( **twickster** covers for me when I’m unavailable), so unlike in other forums, I can’t really recuse myself. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/315 "2011-12-27T16:37:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Since her grasp of reality was tenuous to begin with, I figured we were not going to get any more quasi-rational posts from her once she started talking about Obama throwing everybody into FEMA camps. Y’know, it just now occurs to me, there ought to be another forum on this Board just for that kind of discussion . . . 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/316 "2011-12-27T16:39:35Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Start [here.](http://www.adl.org/mwd/suss1.asp) You’ll find that and much besides. There is a curious strain of American far-RW populists that emerged in the 1960s, perhaps, who, near as I can figure, simply do not seem to accept the legitimacy of the modern, post-Civil-Rights-Revolution American political system. They’re like Catholic [Sedevacantists,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism) they think the America they were born into or should have been has somehow been usurped by an unconstitutional order. And they think they are not only as qualified but as authorized to interpret the law as the courts are. Sometimes they even set up their own “courts.” I once even encountered a short book in the remainders bin rejecting the constitutionality of the Civil War Amendments. (I think the argument was that they were enacted before the Confederate states were re-admitted to the Union, therefore not properly ratified.) I dunno if the author was one of these or some kinda neo-Confederate, but there’s considerable overlap. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/317 "2011-12-28T01:48:49Z")
I was starting to feel like a bunch of kids surrounding the Weirdo in the playground and taunting her … But what is this gold fringe business? The official flag doesn’t have a gold fringe, so no court with a flag with a gold fringe can issue a valid judgement? Never mind, I don’t want to know … ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/318 "2011-12-28T03:01:31Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I was starting to feel like a bunch of kids surrounding the Weirdo in the playground and taunting her … > > But what is this gold fringe business? The official flag doesn’t have a gold fringe, so no court with a flag with a gold fringe can issue a valid judgement? The [theory](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1296633/posts) [appears](http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm) to be that a fringeless flag in the courtroom of a federal court signifies the Court has “common-law jurisdiction,” while a gold-fringed flag is an “Admiralty Flag” signifying “Admiralty jurisdiction” which, apparently . . . diminishes a defendant’s/litigants rights, somehow. (Actually, I’m fairly certain any court in the U.S. could lawfully sit with no flags in the room at all; the judge might be violating some patriotic ordinance by leaving it outside, but not so as to void his jurisdiction.) > [@j666](#): > > Never mind, I don’t want to know … :dubious: What Board do you think this is?! You’ll learn it and **like** it! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/319 "2011-12-28T03:31:12Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :dubious: What Board do you think this is?! You’ll learn it and **like** it! :mad: Keep it up, I’ll start asking about conspiracy theories. Moderately coherent conspiracy theories. Does the U.S. actually have Admiralty courts? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/320 "2011-12-28T03:55:08Z")
The U.S. doesn’t have special Admiralty courts. Regular federal courts handle those cases. Which is what makes that conspiracy theory so very, very special. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/321 "2011-12-28T04:05:30Z")
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