# Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [November 21, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633 "2011-11-21T13:11:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/462 "2012-01-23T14:32:07Z")

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> [@Tristan](#):
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> Now, I may be wrong, as I am the furthest thing from a lawyer, but wouldn’t a judge know that a sitting president can’t be compelled via subpoena? Or am I incorrect on that?

Sovereign immunity shields all federal officials from being compelled to do anything by state courts. Plus, Federal law generally prohibits federal employees from testifying in proceedings in which the US is not a party. See 28 CFR Sec. 16.22, for example.

It doesn’t matter if the judge knows that, though; Obama’s attorney still has to point it out. That’s what your lawyer is _for_ in our (adversarial, rather than inquisitorial) system.

He also might have distinguished the body of existing law on the grounds that it stemmed from judicial proceedings. An administrative law court is an _executive_ proceeding, which could theoretically be exempted from existing precedent.

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**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/463 "2012-01-23T20:30:36Z")

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> [@Gagundathar](#):
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> If Taitz is not taken as an undead, properly subdued (I am not certain about D&D 3.5 rules, but someone here can help)

[hijack]Nope, can’t subdue undead in 3.5 D&D; [undead are unaffected by nonlethal damage](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#undeadType) (which is the mechanism by which one subdues a creature under those rules).[/hijack]

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**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/464 "2012-02-07T19:44:07Z")

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[OK, I think we’re done here.](http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/judge-obama-eligible-to-1330300.html)  
Of course, I’ve thought that before …

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**Author:** ![mkecane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9e8a1a/32.png) [@mkecane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkecane)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/465 "2012-06-06T17:11:48Z")

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Done here? O’rly?

[http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/birther\_orly\_taitz\_dianne\_feinstein\_ca\_senate.php](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/birther_orly_taitz_dianne_feinstein_ca_senate.php)

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> Orly Taitz, the California dentist-lawyer most famous for challenging President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, failed to win the Senate primary in California on Tuesday, but not before racking up tens of thousands of votes.

Oh, she finished 5th? Yeah, I guess this is the last we’ve heard of Orly. Phew!

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**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/466 "2012-06-06T17:18:48Z")

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[‘Birthermercial’ Star Gary Kreep Ahead In Race For California Judgeship](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/birther_gary_kreep_san_diego_california_judge_orly_taitz.php?ref=fpa)

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> Gary Kreep, the star of commercials questioning President Barack Obama’s birthplace and who has argued lawsuits challenging his eligibility for office, just might be California District 34’s new judge.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/467 "2012-06-06T23:26:45Z")

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[This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=652186) did get Orly’s knickers in a twist, tho’.

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**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/468 "2012-09-21T23:32:11Z")

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I know this is reviving an old thread, and that the OP spoke of New Hampshire, but instead of New Hampshire Orly Taitz is in Kansas now.

> **[Taitz files Kansas suit to block Obama candidacy](https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2012/09/20/taitz-files-kansas-suit-block-obama-candidacy/16420773007/)**
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> A California lawyer who earlier this week failed to convince the State Objections Board to keep President Barack Obama’s name off the Kansas general election ballot filed suit Thursday in Shawnee Cou…

Not quite two weeks ago some nutjob petitioned the state Board of Objections to block Obama’s name being on the November ballot, until some questions about his birth certification could be cleared up. The board actually decided to consider it, but the next day the nutjob asked that his petition be cancelled, as he had experienced, get this, intimidation not just to himself but to those around him.

Orly Taitz tried to speak at the meeting that decided Obama’s name could be on the ballot, and even said she’d been “surrounded by African American men that threatened her.” Also present at that meeting, and denying her claims, was the head of the local NAACP chapter.

So now Taitz is speaking up for some other so called Kansan, and filing a suit for him. (Link above)

What has Topeka done to deserve this? First we get Fred Phelps, and now Orly Taitz.

The irony, it burns, as Taitz is herself a naturalized citizen of the US, having been born in that part of the former USSR now called Moldavia.

Why do birthers harp on Obama’s birth_ **place** _? His mother was a US citizen, so even if he HAD been born in Kenya he would still be an American citizen.

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**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/469 "2012-09-21T23:41:02Z")

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> [@Baker](#):
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> Why do birthers harp on Obama’s birth_ **place** _? His mother was a US citizen, so even if he HAD been born in Kenya he would still be an American citizen.

Doesn’t matter to them. For some, it’s because of his father. Others point to this rather bizarre (and only possible) loophole in the law at the time that would seem to say that because the President’s mother was so young when she gave birth to him, he wouldn’t have been a citizen had he been born out of the country.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/470 "2012-09-22T00:31:08Z")

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She’s not even admitted to practice in Kansas. 😕

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/471 "2012-09-22T01:53:54Z")

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Practice what? Law, dentistry, real estate agency, or the enthusiastic sexual acts her former partner in suits misses because he violated that rule so often repeated but so often ignored, “Don’t put it in the crazy?”

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/472 "2012-09-22T03:22:11Z")

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Well, I don’t think you need a license for the last one. Then again, it _is_ Kansas.

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**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2012, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/473 "2012-09-22T05:46:46Z")

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> [@Baker](#):
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> Why do birthers harp on Obama’s birth_ **place** _? His mother was a US citizen, so even if he HAD been born in Kenya he would still be an American citizen.

The law wasn’t always so. In 1961, a child born outside the US to a married couple where only one of the couple was a US citizen wasn’t born a US citizen unless that parent had lived in the US for at least 10 years and 5 of those years had been after their 16th birthday. Since Mrs. Obama was only 18, that would have been impossible.

The only way for Barack Jr. to be a natural-born citizen would for him to have been born on US soil or for his parents’ marriage to have been found invalid; e.g., had Barack Sr. already been lawfully married to another woman. Since the vast preponderance of the evidence shows that Barack Jr. was born in Hawaii, only those who are willfully obtuse or borderline psychotic are arguing otherwise. Or, as in Ms. Taitz’s case, both.

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**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2012, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/474 "2012-09-22T06:58:52Z")

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Serious question here, who is funding this loon? She travels from state to state stirring up shit and disrupting what should be routine bureaucratic paper shuffling.

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**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/475 "2012-09-23T00:02:34Z")

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> [@dropzone](#):
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> Practice what? Law, dentistry, real estate agency, or the enthusiastic sexual acts her former partner in suits misses because he violated that rule so often repeated but so often ignored, “Don’t put it in the crazy?”

Karate. She is a black belt, after all

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/476 "2012-09-23T04:19:41Z")

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> [@grude](#):
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> Serious question here, who is funding this loon? She travels from state to state stirring up shit and disrupting what should be routine bureaucratic paper shuffling.

What I’m wondering is, what are her employment plans should Romney win?\* Does she have any marketable skills, other than stirring shit about President Obama’s eligibility to hold the office?

\*I know, but work with me here.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/477 "2012-09-23T06:01:34Z")

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> [@Punoqllads](#):
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> The law wasn’t always so. In 1961, a child born outside the US to a married couple where only one of the couple was a US citizen wasn’t born a US citizen unless that parent had lived in the US for at least 10 years and 5 of those years had been after their 16th birthday. Since Mrs. Obama was only 18, that would have been impossible.

The thing about that law that always struck me as hilarious is that ANYONE who was born to parents under the age of 21 could be considered a non-US citizen, couldn’t they?

I mean, that’s gotta be a helluva lot of people who “technically” aren’t US citizens if anyone took that law seriously, and I bet they’ve all been voting and getting passports and paying taxes and joining the military, etc. all their lives without knowing that “technically” they aren’t really US citizens.

It’s freaking hilarious.

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**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/478 "2012-09-23T08:54:16Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> The thing about that law that always struck me as hilarious is that ANYONE who was born to parents under the age of 21 could be considered a non-US citizen, couldn’t they?

Only if they were born outside of the US.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/479 "2012-09-24T13:13:12Z")

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> [@grude](#):
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> Serious question here, who is funding this loon? She travels from state to state stirring up shit and disrupting what should be routine bureaucratic paper shuffling.

> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> What I’m wondering is, what are her employment plans should Romney win?\* Does she have any marketable skills, other than stirring shit about President Obama’s eligibility to hold the office?

She’s independently wealthy; she owns two moderately successful dental practices in California, and her husband is a successful software engineer. Early on in her “campaign” she was also making money writing and being interviewed by WorldNutDaily and the like.

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**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/480 "2012-09-24T14:08:47Z")

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> [@Punoqllads](#):
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> Only if they were born outside of the US.

I bet that would still be a helluva lot of people.

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**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/481 "2012-09-25T11:30:16Z")

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With the revival of this thread, I wonder if another\*\* KBO\*\* will show up and provide us with some entertainment. It sure was fun the last time. 😛

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