# Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 21, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633 "2011-11-21T13:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/81 "2011-12-22T14:42:01Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > That isn’t too much different from what he did. Holy fuck, I want my 21 minutes back. Chester Fucking Arthur wasn’t a citizen? As far as I can tell, the only people born here who would be excluded from citizenship are children of diplomats and royalty and such, who aren’t subject to the jurisdiction of the US (which is I believe why they can’t get parking tickets). I DID the research for over two years. What is so hard to understand, why the truth is right in front of your face? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/82 "2011-12-22T14:42:44Z")
It doesn’t matter what he meant. What matters is what he wrote; it’s not the fault of the courts if Trumbull wrote something other than what he intended. Mods, can we keep the troll? Please? ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/83 "2011-12-22T14:43:06Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I can NOW see your POINT and my MIND WAS CHANGED! Surprisingly, all IT TOOK was the RIGHT capiTALIzation! > > The cake is a lie. GREAT, now got shout it on the mountaintop! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/84 "2011-12-22T14:45:17Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Mods, can we keep the troll? Please? I agree. He amuses me. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/85 "2011-12-22T14:47:20Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > The people who FRAMED the 14th amendment were the FRAMERS OF THE 14th AMENDMENT, NO? Nevertheless, that is not what the word means. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/86 "2011-12-22T14:47:23Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > I DID the research for over two years. What is so hard to understand, why the truth is right in front of your face? Two years? I found this in two minutes: > [@](#): > > During the debate on the Amendment, Senator John Conness of California declared, “The proposition before us, I will say, Mr. President, relates simply in that respect to the children begotten of Chinese parents in California, and it is proposed to declare that they shall be citizens. We have declared that by law [the Civil Rights Act]; now it is proposed to incorporate that same provision in the fundamental instrument of the nation. I am in favor of doing so. I voted for the proposition to declare that the children of all parentage, whatever, born in California, should be regarded and treated as citizens of the United States, entitled to equal Civil Rights with other citizens.”. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/87 "2011-12-22T14:51:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > It doesn’t matter what he meant. What matters is what he wrote; it’s not the fault of the courts if Trumbull wrote something other than what he intended. > > Mods, can we keep the troll? Please? Trumbull did WRITE EXACTLY what he intended, in the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (which he too authored) and was passed by the same Congress, months before the 14th amendment was passed. So, no NEED for redundancy! 1st line of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 says: “Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;” [http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/reconstruction/section4/section4\_civrightsact1.html](http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/reconstruction/section4/section4_civrightsact1.html) Sorry to break the BAD news, but Obama is NOT even a CITIZEN! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/88 "2011-12-22T14:53:05Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I agree. He amuses me. I’m not a HE! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/89 "2011-12-22T14:55:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Nevertheless, that is not what the word means. Nevertheless, it doesn’t CHANGE what the GUY said and MEANT, no matter what you want to CALL him, now does it? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/90 "2011-12-22T14:55:58Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > I’m not a HE! 😕 But, I am he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/91 "2011-12-22T14:57:09Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Nevertheless, it doesn’t CHANGE what the GUY said and MEANT, no matter what you want to CALL him, now does it? Skimming that clip, it all seems to be based on an argument from the 1860s under which **Indians** can’t be “natural born citizens.” Less said of that the better. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/92 "2011-12-22T14:57:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Two years? I found this in two minutes: LOLOL and just WHAT is that GARBAGE? Thanks, but I will stick to the person who WROTE the Bills/Amendments! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/93 "2011-12-22T14:57:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Sorry to break the BAD news, but Obama is NOT even a CITIZEN! Of course he is. He has a Hawaiian birth certificate and a US passport. His election has been ratified by Congress. Sorry to break the bad news, but your crazy-ass theories have been thoroughly debunked and the world has moved on. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/94 "2011-12-22T14:58:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > 😕 But, I am he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together. Sorry, but I am NOT together with these OBOTS! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/95 "2011-12-22T14:59:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Of course he is. He has a Hawaiian birth certificate and a US passport. His election has been ratified by Congress. > > Sorry to break the bad news, but your crazy-ass theories have been thoroughly debunked and the world has moved on. Where have my facts been debunked? Can you show me? ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/96 "2011-12-22T15:02:05Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Of course he is. He has a Hawaiian birth certificate and a US passport. His election has been ratified by Congress. > > Sorry to break the bad news, but your crazy-ass theories have been thoroughly debunked and the world has moved on. hahahaha, it’s funny how I show Congressional Documents to support my facts and you still call them theories… It wouldn’t matter if he was born on the White House steps, his father was never a citizen, which means Obama can NEVER be a Natural Born Citizen. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/97 "2011-12-22T15:02:07Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > LOLOL and just WHAT is that GARBAGE? > > Thanks, but I will stick to the person who WROTE the Bills/Amendments! The person who writes bills and amendments is not the only person who has to pass them. They’re voted on by Congress and/or the state legislatures. If Trumbull couldn’t get what he wanted passed, that’s his problem. Let’s say that I am a legislator in the State of X. I propose legislation that says, “no municipality shall tax tobacco products” and put it up for a vote. Then, during debate on my bill, I say, “by the way, I really meant ‘no municipality shall tax loose leaf tobacco’”. Another legislator says, “but that’s not what you wrote, is it? This bill will outlaw city taxes on cigarettes.” The bill passes. Do you think the courts will give a shit about what I said, when I didn’t bother to fix what I’d written? ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/98 "2011-12-22T15:04:49Z")
ALL THE FACTS YOU NEED, are on my Youtube Channel (170+ videos): [http://www.youtube.com/user/KenyanBornObamAcorn/videos?sort=dd&view=u](http://www.youtube.com/user/KenyanBornObamAcorn/videos?sort=dd&view=u) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/99 "2011-12-22T15:07:42Z")
I’m sorry, **BobLibDem** , but I cannot accept your argument unless you agree to capitalize random words and make up new definitions for some of them. I propose redefining “fundamental”, “nation”, “parentage” and “Chinese”, and putting every fifth word in all caps. That oughta do it. > [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Trumbull did WRITE EXACTLY what he intended, in the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (which he too authored) and was passed by the same Congress, months before the 14th amendment was passed. So, no NEED for redundancy! > > 1st line of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 says: > “Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;” > [http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/reconstruction/section4/section4\_civrightsact1.html](http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/reconstruction/section4/section4_civrightsact1.html) > > Sorry to break the BAD news, but Obama is NOT even a CITIZEN! LOLOLOL What is this GARBAGE? This is not the exclusive definition of what constitutes a citizen. You wishing it were so does not make it so, and nearly 150 years of legal decisions and legislation agrees with me. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/100 "2011-12-22T15:07:57Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > YOU ARE A PATHETIC AMERICAN! > [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Hate to burst your bubbles Obots, but the Birthers were right all along! Please read the rules of the website. You are not allowed to insult other posters this way (and they’re not supposed to call you names like troll or fruitcake). You need to be civil if you want to post here - or else you can just take this to The BBQ Pit, where there are fewer rules. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633.md?page=6)