# Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 21, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633 "2011-11-21T13:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/161 "2011-12-22T16:21:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But you seem to be feeling no pain. That’s because the truth is on my side! The truth only hurts those that are on the wrong side of it! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/162 "2011-12-22T16:22:38Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > That isn’t too much different from what he did. Holy fuck, I want my 21 minutes back. Chester Fucking Arthur wasn’t a citizen? As far as I can tell, the only people born here who would be excluded from citizenship are children of diplomats and royalty and such, who aren’t subject to the jurisdiction of the US (which is I believe why they can’t get parking tickets). Also children born to soldiers of an occupying army. Not a pressing concern at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/163 "2011-12-22T16:23:32Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > NO, but I have been asked to do research for a lot of well known news websites, because I GET the facts and have great sources! Welcome to The Straight Dope, **KenyanBornObama**. I hope you find your time here enlightening. For your reference, a few points if I may. 1. There are a number of attorneys who are members of this board, of all political stripes, a few who are quite conservative politically, all of whom, I imagine, would say your pursuit is a fool’s errand. 2. Contrary to your assertion here, your specific issue has been dismissed by the courts in the past. 3. If you want to have a conversation, engage us. Using pejoratives like ‘Obot’ is not only not cute, or funny, but serves to diminish our assessment of your worthiness as a debater and someone to take seriously. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/164 "2011-12-22T16:24:24Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Sure they do. State courts do not have limited jurisdiction; they may consider matters pertaining to federal law. > > Anyway, since your upcoming proceeding is a challenge to a state’s electoral procedure, won’t _you_ be appearing in state court? You don’t have a federal question to raise. To change Art 2, Section 1, you need to amend the Constitution and it has never been amended, so NO, they have no jurisdiction! States are the ones that vet candidates to be on the ballot, if they say he is ineligible, he is removed from the ballot and the nation can not vote for him! Once one states removes him, the dominos will fall! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/165 "2011-12-22T16:25:21Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > To change Art 2, Section 1, you need to amend the Constitution and it has never been amended, so NO, they have no jurisdiction! Like I said earlier, you don’t get to change the law by saying you found a loophole that nobody has noticed for 200 years. It doesn’t work that way. > [@](#): > > Once one states removes him, the dominos will fall! He’s not going to be removed from any ballots. This is a matter of settled law. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/166 "2011-12-22T16:26:17Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So, who are your sources? And no, pointing out at “evidence” that was already looked at and deemed to be irrelevant even in the courts is not a source, \*\*who \*\*is the main source that you have that is still pushing the peculiar interpretation of your cites so far? The Library of Congress is my source! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/167 "2011-12-22T16:27:41Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And the courts already saw that and deemed those precedents not applicable to Obama, the problem here is that you do not know what a moot point is. > > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32180625/ns/politics-white\_house/t/hawaii-reasserts-obama-natural-born-citizen/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32180625/ns/politics-white_house/t/hawaii-reasserts-obama-natural-born-citizen/) WHAT courts saw that and deemed them not applicable, please show me! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/168 "2011-12-22T16:27:43Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > The video is posted on page 2. I am not allowed to post it here says the moderator. Summarize the video, please. If you understand the arguments it makes you should be able to communicate them to me. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/169 "2011-12-22T16:28:26Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > To change Art 2, Section 1, you need to amend the Constitution and it has never been amended, so NO, they have no jurisdiction! > > States are the ones that vet candidates to be on the ballot, if they say he is ineligible, he is removed from the ballot and the nation can not vote for him! > > Once one states removes him, the dominos will fall! You just made a point and then refuted it in the same post. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that done before. ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/170 "2011-12-22T16:28:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He’s also a natural born citizen according to the body of law that exists. People have been challenging both points for years, and they’ve all failed. I expect a bunch of other people have already tried your argument and had it tossed out by courts who considered it a ridiculous waste of their time. What law is that, can you show me? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/171 "2011-12-22T16:31:16Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > What law is that, can you show me? [I think I’d start here.](http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=urbanlegends&cdn=newsissues&tm=13&gps=390_431_1276_823&f=00&su=p284.12.336.ip_p504.1.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&st=10&zu=http%3A//voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/12/08/supreme_court_declines_to_hear.html) ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/172 "2011-12-22T16:33:44Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Welcome to The Straight Dope, **KenyanBornObama**. I hope you find your time here enlightening. > > For your reference, a few points if I may. > > 1. There are a number of attorneys who are members of this board, of all political stripes, a few who are quite conservative politically, all of whom, I imagine, would say your pursuit is a fool’s errand. > > 2. Contrary to your assertion here, your specific issue has been dismissed by the courts in the past. > > 3. If you want to have a conversation, engage us. Using pejoratives like ‘Obot’ is not only not cute, or funny, but serves to diminish our assessment of your worthiness as a debater and someone to take seriously. Thanks, I’ve already been warned, it’s in the thread and I apologized. Yes, I have a number of attorneys as well, that I email with on a daily basis and a few Constitutional Experts that also know the truth, we are doing everything we can to get the truth out! Thanks for allowing a fair debate here and not censoring my facts! My issue has not been heard by the courts yet, but we are working on it! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/173 "2011-12-22T16:35:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Like I said earlier, you don’t get to change the law by saying you found a loophole that nobody has noticed for 200 years. It doesn’t work that way. > He’s not going to be removed from any ballots. This is a matter of settled law. Everyone has a right to dream! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/174 "2011-12-22T16:36:28Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > The Library of Congress is my source! Nope, I’m asking for the group or individual that is telling you what \*\*spin \*\*to apply to the library of congress, it is clear that your real and true sources are misleading you on what it really does say, and it does say that Obama has the right to be president, as all branches of government have declared so also. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/175 "2011-12-22T16:37:06Z")
You may wish to report those attorneys to your state bar association for failing to provide appropriate client counseling services. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/176 "2011-12-22T16:37:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So, who are your sources? And no, pointing out at “evidence” that was already looked at and deemed to be irrelevant even in the courts is not a source, \*\*who \*\*is the main source that you have that is still pushing the peculiar interpretation of your cites so far? > [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > The Library of Congress is my source! You’d better get reading, **GIGObuster** ; you have something like 22 million books to get through to find his sources. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/177 "2011-12-22T16:42:32Z")
> [@KenyanBornObama](#): > > Everyone has a right to dream! I’m sorry to crush your dream. OK, that’s a lie. I’m not sorry. Even if we put aside the race issue (because there are some nasty racists holding this opinion), the view that Obama isn’t a citizen is a sad and desperate delusion. If you think the guy is such a bad president, by all means vote against him. This idea of laypeople finding loopholes in the Constitution and arguing about centuries-old legal decisions is absurd. It’s bullshit on the level of The Protocols of The Elders of Zion or The Da Vinci Code or Lizard People or Secret Messages in the Denver Airport. It takes time away from serious issues in the court system and causes people to do some really ridiculous nonsense. The sad part is that after you lose, you probably won’t get over it - you’ll either file another petition or insist that the court is in on the plot and overstepped its authority or something like that. I hope you’re able to get on with your life, because some people never do. Orly Taitz isn’t one of them because she’s probably a money hungry charlatan more than an ideologue. Incidentally, you _do_ think the president was really born in Kenya, right? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/178 "2011-12-22T16:57:35Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > You’d better get reading, **GIGObuster** ; you have something like 22 million books to get through to find his sources. Well, that would be like the scholar’s version of a Google Vomit. 🙂 You jest, but IMHO when someone makes points that already have been seen and claims the outcome will be different or the evidence will soon overturn the precedent and decisions already made by all branches of the government (Not only the courts agree that Obama has the right to be president, in the end the legislative and the executive branches already said he has the right. ) I do not care how much they claim that they got their idea on their own, \*\*by this time it is clear they got it from someone else \*\*and it is becoming more clear that the poster here is clever enough to know his real sources will be laughed at. This is like claiming that there are alien ships on the moon and declaring that schools will teach all future generations that incredible fact. Yes, one poster once said 10 years ago to us that this change would take place 10 years into the future, guess what happened? ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/179 "2011-12-22T17:07:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Summarize the video, please. If you understand the arguments it makes you should be able to communicate them to me. In a nutshell, my video says: On January 5, 1866, the Civil Rights Act was authored and brought up in the Senate by Senators Lyman Trumbull and Jacob Howard. The bill failed to pass. On January 11th, 1866, Jacob Howard submitted an amendment to the Civil RIghts Act which added: “That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States” The bill then passed after the amendment was added and was sent to the House and passed along with Trumbull’s amendment! Honorable John Bingham, Father of the 14th amendment, is on record saying: “I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of PARENTS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” The 14th amendment was then worked up by John Bingham to make the Civil Rights Act constitutional, which passed the House, but failed in the Senate, until Trumbull and Howard made an amendment adding in “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.” Others argued that they wanted to know what “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant and Trumbull replies saying: “The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANYBODY ELSE. That is what it means.” The bill passed the House and Senate and went to President Johnson who vetoed it. The bill went back to Congress and they passed it over the President’s Veto! ---
**Author:** ![KenyanBornObama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e68b1a/32.png) [@KenyanBornObama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KenyanBornObama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633/180 "2011-12-22T17:08:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Like I said earlier, you don’t get to change the law by saying you found a loophole that nobody has noticed for 200 years. It doesn’t work that way. > He’s not going to be removed from any ballots. This is a matter of settled law. Loophole, what loophole is that? The Library of Congress? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orly-taitz-resurfaces-in-new-hampshire/603633.md?page=10)