# Orphan Black season 2 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 19, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493 "2014-04-19T16:40:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/101 "2014-06-17T14:02:07Z")
They are kind of stuck with Kira always being in danger since that is what motivates Sarah. As much as she cares for her “sisters” she would set them all on fire if it meant Kira would be safe. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/102 "2014-06-17T14:59:29Z")
I also loved Donnie manning up and that he hand Allison are drawn closer because of all the drama they have been through. Allison and Donnie are my favorites on this show. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/103 "2014-06-17T16:54:45Z")
I’m not a regular in these threads, but I have been keeping up with the show. I’ve got to say that my interest is waning quickly. The acting and characters are the primary reason people watch it, and those are good and all, but this show desperately needs a PLOT. How long has it been since it’s been about anything more than chasing after the latest in a long string of MacGuffins? What is the goal? What is everyone working towards? So they made clones and made them infertile. Is that really the injustice we’re working to correct? OK, one of them is sick. But now there’s a cure. But it’s not a cure, so we need this other cure. But that’s not permanent, but this guy has a cure, but he’s not going to just give the cure, he’s going to drag it out endlessly bit by bit so we can sit around and argue about who’s good and who’s evil…GET ON WITH IT! I don’t know what anybody’s motivations are any more. What are the good guys working towards? What are the bad guys working towards? It’s just a big endless merry-go-round that never has any consequences. How about some bad guys with actual goals and menace instead of the Generic Evil Corporation and Generic Evil Religious Cult? Could either group be any more cliched? Anyway. Just had to get that off my chest. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/104 "2014-06-18T01:35:50Z")
Only one MacGuffin chase left for this season, maybe the next season will give you more of what you are looking for. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/105 "2014-06-18T14:52:46Z")
So the reason for the non-Sarah clones being infertile is due to something genetic done to the endometrium. Helena seems to think she can’t have kids. They can apparently produce eggs, etc. But then is Helena actually going to be able to carry “her babies” given the deliberate uterus lining issue? She was a womb-mate of Sarah, so they could argue it away that’s she’s like Sarah. But then why is Helena so puzzled that Sarah can have a daughter? While Donnie did have his moments, he’s still Old Donnie at times. E.g., when moving Leekie onto the plastic and trying to work the jack hammer. Could see that Vic was wearing a wire a mile away. Asking them to tell him about Aynsley, etc. But I knew he was working for the detective, Alison and Donnie don’t? Rachel as Sarah: You could tell she wasn’t wearing a wig by looking at the part. Rachel had short blond hair before and after. No dyeing, extensions, etc. They goofed that. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/106 "2014-06-18T16:23:44Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > But then why is Helena so puzzled that Sarah can have a daughter? I’m guessing because the nasty cult that raised her told her she couldn’t and all the other clones she killed would have been confirmation of that. Sarah was unique and now she finds out she is Sarah’s twin and in this case I suspect that is literal - i.e. Sarah and Helena didn’t come from two different cloned blastocysts implanted in the host womb. Rather they are the result of a _single_ implanted blastocyst that twinned. Sarah and Helena aren’t just identical twins because they are identical replicas, they are identical twins because they are _actually_ monozygotic twins. Which would explain shared fertility. Now how you would casually sort out one type of identical twin from the other I dunno :D. But crazy-cult-doctor-dad seems to think she is fertile and presumably he should know. Unless he was just assuming and it will turn out Helena can’t carry to term and spontaneously aborts. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/107 "2014-06-18T16:29:33Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Now how you would casually sort out one type of identical twin from the other I dunno :D. “casually,” I don’t know, but presumably they have the same synthetic “barcode” sequence that otherwise distinguishes one clone from the others. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/108 "2014-06-18T17:35:16Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Rachel as Sarah: You could tell she wasn’t wearing a wig by looking at the part. Rachel had short blond hair before and after. No dyeing, extensions, etc. They goofed that. Unless: Sarah _usually_ wears a wig and is really bald. She just took off her blonde wig and put on her Sarah wig. See, problem solved 🙂 . I was surprised that Rachel would pull a “pretending to be another clone” stunt as she seems to be more risk-averse than that. But given that she did, I’d expect the caper to be meticulously planned and executed, as it was. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/109 "2014-06-18T17:45:33Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > “casually,” I don’t know, but presumably they have the same synthetic “barcode” sequence that otherwise distinguishes one clone from the others. Sarah and Helena were confirmed to be monozygotic when they were discovered to be mirror twins (I think this was when the Proletheans first rescued Helena). This was also the reason Sarah’s shot wasn’t fatal, as Helena’s heart is on the other side of her chest (such organ mirroring is apparently a rare but actual trait of mirror twins). ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/110 "2014-06-18T17:50:41Z")
[QUOTE=ftg;17473043 But then why is Helena so puzzled that Sarah can have a daughter?[/quote] For the same reason everyone else is puzzled. Sarah’s a clone, and clones aren’t supposed to be able to have children. The fact that Sarah can and did have a child is totally bizarre. Since Helena and Sarah are monozygotic twins, and Sarah is fertile, Helena probably is too, unless that whole “her organs are backwards” thing causes problems. The reproductive system is pretty bilaterally symmetric, though, and she seems overall to not have any issues, so I would think she can carry just fine. > [@](#): > > Could see that Vic was wearing a wire a mile away. Asking them to tell him about Aynsley, etc. But I knew he was working for the detective, Alison and Donnie don’t? You’re privy to a lot of scenes those two aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/111 "2014-06-18T18:00:48Z")
> [@Just\_Ed](#): > > Sarah and Helena were confirmed to be monozygotic when they were discovered to be mirror twins (I think this was when the Proletheans first rescued Helena). This was also the reason Sarah’s shot wasn’t fatal, as Helena’s heart is on the other side of her chest (such organ mirroring is apparently a rare but actual trait of mirror twins). Ah, yes - forgot about that. So Helena almost certainly _is_ fertile. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/112 "2014-06-19T15:13:33Z")
There is a preview of the first two minutes of the next episode [here](http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/watch-the-orphan-black-season-2-finales-shocking-opening-sce). ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/113 "2014-06-22T17:08:37Z")
I have to say that I was a little disappointed in the finale. It seems like they were in such a rush to get everybody involved in the Big Plan, and then wrapped that up so quickly that they needed a clone dance party for filler before proceeding to the rest of the episode, which really seemed anticlimactic considering the kind of “big reveals” it contained. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/114 "2014-06-22T18:43:22Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > I have to say that I was a little disappointed in the finale. It seems like they were in such a rush to get everybody involved in the Big Plan, and then wrapped that up so quickly that they needed a clone dance party for filler before proceeding to the rest of the episode, which really seemed anticlimactic considering the kind of “big reveals” it contained. I agree the episode was somewhat fractured. Still entertaining, certainly, but a lot of stuff that happened so quickly you could barely catch your breath. What exact leverage was it that knowing about operation Castor was, and who is allied with who to do what now, etc? I did love the dance party, though. And while my prediction of reveal-of-clones-of-Felix wasn’t QUITE right I’m very interested to see where things go from here. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/115 "2014-06-22T19:12:33Z")
When Cosima put on the record, I recoiled a little at the idea that we were about to be subjected to a dance party. And if it were on most any other show, I think I’d have hated it. But it was quite fascinating seeing how the four characters contrasted with each other – Cosima and Sarah relatively expressive, Alison managing a bit of restrained movement and Helena, well, looking pretty much like how a crazy person who had never actually been to a dance party before would look. And the scene looked pretty good from a technical perspective; I wasn’t overly distracted by failures or glitches in the effects. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/116 "2014-06-22T19:27:57Z")
I do wonder what is going to happen to Delphine at this point. The last person who got on a “Dyad private jet” had a “heart attack”. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/117 "2014-06-22T20:11:51Z")
It’s not a clone of Felix we (and Sarah) saw in that cell, was it?..wasn’t it a clone of Mark, the Prolethian guy who’s on the run with pregnant Grace (daughter of the leader who did gynecological work on Helena)…? I do have renewed interest in this show; I’m intrigued by the existence of the male line and by what the Big Corporate Lady (Michelle Forbes’ character) is up to with the 8-year-old sister of Sarah et al. And I loved the dance scene. Sure, it was a stunt (and a beautifully-executed one)–but to me it felt earned. The characters have been through a lot, and it was an appropriate moment of grace and happiness for them. (And there’s no justice if that special effects team doesn’t win the Emmy.) ETA: Oops, Max, I misread your post–sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/118 "2014-06-22T20:37:47Z")
What was it that Mrs. S said Sarah would never forgive her for or was it just foreshadowing? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/119 "2014-06-22T21:34:00Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > What was it that Mrs. S said Sarah would never forgive her for or was it just foreshadowing? I believe it was a teaser for Season 3 (in other words, we don’t know what Mrs. S. meant). ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493/120 "2014-06-23T15:07:45Z")
> [@](#): > > And I loved the dance scene. Sure, it was a stunt (and a beautifully-executed one)–but to me it felt earned. The characters have been through a lot, and it was an appropriate moment of grace and happiness for them. (And there’s no justice if that special effects team doesn’t win the Emmy.) Agreed. Even though the final episode was a wee bit slower paced than the other episodes this was such a great scene of acting and special effects. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orphan-black-season-2-discussion-thread/686493.md?page=7)