# Orson Scott Card drinks Kool-aid **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2006, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366 "2006-11-06T23:09:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/101 "2006-11-21T07:12:25Z")
You think that article’s scary? Read the “Reader Feedback” "WE ought to get out of the Geneva Convention . Considering where fighting a none signitory group of monsters. This would cut off the Supreme court at the knee’s.Since they just cut off the heads of prisinors anyway. Why do we bother? Next get serious about Iran before they nuke Isreal. Fight them. Syria & this whole evil allaince if need be. As well as Pakistan where the poisen sack resides. With real allies. Start treason trial against the media that have given comfort if not secret information to our enemmies. The NYT , comes to mind." or "We need to announce to the world that we will simply no longer allow the following (not an all-inclusive list): 1. nukes in anybody else’s hands unless we approve it 2. violence against citizens on a large scale (e.g. Rwanda, Sudan, fill-in-the-blank-of-wherever-Muslims-are-killing-everyone-else) 3. the wholesale teaching of children that the US, Israel, etc are bad, and that killing infidels is OK" or “What give us the right? See above; gov’t has a duty to protect citizens, and the wacko actions of Muslims and Commies are endangering our citizens unacceptably.” Gah! (hides head in sand) ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/102 "2006-11-21T14:10:50Z")
[QUOTE=Aspidistra] "WE ought to get out of the Geneva Convention . Considering where fighting a none signitory group of monsters. This would cut off the Supreme court at the knee’s.Since they just cut off the heads of prisinors anyway. Why do we bother? Next get serious about Iran before they nuke Isreal. Fight them. Syria & this whole evil allaince if need be. As well as Pakistan where the poisen sack resides. With real allies. Start treason trial against the media that have given comfort if not secret information to our enemmies. The NYT , comes to mind." [/QUOTE] After reading that, I’m getting ready to wage a War Against Bad Grammar. Seriously, we need a Gitmo for this kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/103 "2006-11-21T23:54:59Z")
Geez, it reads like a _Little Green Footballs_ “best of”… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/104 "2006-11-29T17:27:17Z")
Well, apparently his political views have now spilled over completely into his fiction. Here’s what Publisher’s Weekly has to say about his new novel, [Empire](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765316110?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0765316110): > [@](#): > > Right-wing rhetoric trumps the logic of story and character in this near-future political thriller about a red-state vs. blue-state American civil war, an implausibly plotted departure from Card’s bestselling science fiction (Ender’s Game, etc.). When the president and vice-president are killed by domestic terrorists (of unknown political identity), a radical leftist army calling itself the Progressive Restoration takes over New York City and declares itself the rightful government of the United States. Other blue states officially recognize the legitimacy of the group, thus starting a second civil war. Card’s heroic red-state protagonists, Maj. Reuben “Rube” Malek and Capt. Bartholomew “Cole” Coleman, draw on their Special Ops training to take down the extremist leftists and restore peace to the nation. It’s like right-wing porno. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/105 "2006-11-29T17:38:30Z")
[QUOTE=Pochacco] Well, apparently his political views have now spilled over completely into his fiction. Here’s what Publisher’s Weekly has to say about his new novel, [Empire](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765316110?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0765316110): It’s like right-wing porno. [/QUOTE] Astonishing. I love how he says his book is a warning about the dangers of divisive rhetoric, too. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/106 "2006-11-29T20:30:31Z")
[QUOTE=Pochacco] Well, apparently his political views have now spilled over completely into his fiction. Here’s what Publisher’s Weekly has to say about his new novel, [Empire](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765316110?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0765316110): > [@](#): > > Right-wing rhetoric trumps the logic of story and character in this near-future political thriller about a red-state vs. blue-state American civil war, an implausibly plotted departure from Card’s bestselling science fiction (Ender’s Game, etc.). When the president and vice-president are killed by domestic terrorists (of unknown political identity), a radical leftist army calling itself the Progressive Restoration takes over New York City and declares itself the rightful government of the United States. Other blue states officially recognize the legitimacy of the group, thus starting a second civil war. Card’s heroic red-state protagonists, Maj. Reuben “Rube” Malek and Capt. Bartholomew “Cole” Coleman, draw on their Special Ops training to take down the extremist leftists and restore peace to the nation. It’s like right-wing porno. [/QUOTE] “Rube” and “Cole?” I feel like scrubbing myself throroughly with Cliche-B-Gon[sup]TM[/sup] just from reading the _synopsis_. ---
**Author:** ![Cemetery\_Savior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Cemetery\_Savior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cemetery_Savior)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/107 "2006-11-29T21:00:41Z")
[QUOTE=MGibson] Just the other day a gaggle of homosexuals bayoneted my marriage license and threw grenades at my marriage album. War is hell. Marc [/QUOTE] Funny, they placed my marrigae license in a really nice (a little Baroque for my tastes, but nice) frame, and then proceeded to arrange my wedding pix thematically, with pithy little word baloons! Oh, and they threatened to throw out all of my plaid and checked oxfords. -Cem ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/108 "2006-11-29T21:20:57Z")
[QUOTE=MGibson] Just the other day a **gaggle** of homosexuals bayoneted my marriage license and threw grenades at my marriage album. War is hell. Marc [/QUOTE] Homosexuals don’t travel in a gaggle, silly. They travel in a pride. A…gay…pride. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/109 "2006-11-30T11:25:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Card’s heroic red-state protagonists, Maj. Reuben “Rube” Malek and Capt. Bartholomew “Cole” Coleman, draw on their Special Ops training to take down the extremist leftists and restore peace to the nation. –with the help of special guest star,\*\*\* DIRK PITT!\*\*\* ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/110 "2006-11-30T15:16:13Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] –with the help of special guest star,\*\*\* DIRK PITT!\*\*\* [/QUOTE] You mean Dirk Pitt[sup]®[/sup]. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/111 "2006-11-30T15:24:25Z")
Is it safe to mention Pitt® in the Pit? Won’t that cause a black hole or something? ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/112 "2006-11-30T15:49:16Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Is it safe to mention Pitt® in the Pit? Won’t that cause a black hole or something? [/QUOTE] It depends on which one is inside which. In one case, they simply destroy each other, in the other case they rip a hole in the fabric of reality, dumping themselves, their contents and you into the Ethereal Plane. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366/113 "2006-11-30T16:07:02Z")
[QUOTE=Pochacco] It’s like right-wing porno. [/QUOTE] Does it end with a mano-a-dyko battle to the death between Rube and Hillary Clinton? I’m picturing the climax involving Rube driving a flaming cross into Hillary’s heart and then throws her body off the Empire State Building, where it crushes Bill to death as he’s about to acrtivate the Librul Satellites That Will Simultaneously Abort All Fetuses And Turn All True Blooded Americans Into Homos. Am I close? -Joe, expert on climaxes [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orson-scott-card-drinks-kool-aid/379366.md?page=5)