# Orthodox Shitheads Defy Law In Order To Endanger Children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606 "2012-09-04T02:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/321 "2014-08-17T13:52:09Z")
Oh fer Moishe’s sake! It isn’t repugnant because these tone deaf relics are “sucking baby dicks”. It’s repugnant because modern medicine/science/society. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/322 "2014-08-17T13:57:04Z")
Yeah, the baby dick sucking is just a bonus 😃 Come on, you have to accept that you’re gonna get some joking if you’re going to do stuff like this. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/323 "2014-08-17T13:59:02Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > My point is that regardless of motive if you suck babies dicks you’re going to have to accept that you’ll take a little ribbing. This isn’t ribbing. It’s an argument that the practice should be prohibited because of it evokes pedophilia. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/324 "2014-08-17T14:27:22Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Not with the motive you are ascribing. Is someone administering mouth-to-mouth resuscitation “frenching” the victim? I would suggest that an anaesthesiologist who insisted on performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation during surgery when safer and more effective equipment was available would be acting improperly, even if he was motivated by the strongest of religious convictions. Particularly on patients who did not give consent to be operated on in the first place, let alone consent for unnecessary mouth-to-mouth contact. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/325 "2014-08-17T14:45:29Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Yeah, the baby dick sucking is just a bonus 😃 > Come on, you have to accept that you’re gonna get some joking if you’re going to do stuff like this. > [@Bricker](#): > > This isn’t ribbing. It’s an argument that the practice should be prohibited because of it evokes pedophilia. I’m fine with shaming these assholes with the ‘stop fellating babies’ angle. Clearly the modern medicine/society angle is wasted on them. I’m for whatever gets them to knock this shit off and drags them into the 20th century. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/326 "2014-08-17T15:20:05Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I would suggest that an anaesthesiologist who insisted on performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation during surgery when safer and more effective equipment was available would be acting improperly, even if he was motivated by the strongest of religious convictions. Particularly on patients who did not give consent to be operated on in the first place, let alone consent for unnecessary mouth-to-mouth contact. Absolutely. But you could not accurately criticize him for french-kissing his patients. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/327 "2014-08-17T15:21:07Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m fine with shaming these assholes with the ‘stop fellating babies’ angle. Clearly the modern medicine/society angle is wasted on them. > > I’m for whatever gets them to knock this shit off and drags them into the 20th century. Let’s fight ignorance with … ignorance? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/328 "2014-08-17T15:30:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This isn’t ribbing. It’s an argument that the practice should be prohibited because of it evokes pedophilia. ISIS, or whatever name they go by now, think their religion justifies beheading people. You don’t get to hand wave away heinous behavior because “religion”. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/329 "2014-08-17T15:39:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Let’s fight ignorance with … ignorance? As a huge proponent of reason and opponent of unreason, it pains me greatly to say this but, in cases like this, maybe so. When you have unnecessary, unsafe, and unsanitary things being done to innocents incapable of consent, and those doing it are resistant to reason, then maybe shaming, even unfair shaming, is in order if it would stop them from doing harm. Of course the best thing would be to make the practice illegal and then fine or incarcerate any who insist on continuing to do it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/330 "2014-08-17T15:39:45Z")
No. But just as when I make fun of you for being a humourless pedant, I’m not saying I think you’re an idiot because you’re incapable of understanding humour, I’m saying that you need to take yourself less seriously and lighten up on the sematics, counselor. In the same way that I don’t think these guys are fellating babies. But making fun of them as if they are is a way of shaming them into knocking it off because the world views some (many?) of their practices as archaic and legitimate grounds for ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/331 "2014-08-17T15:55:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Let’s fight ignorance with … ignorance? Well, Plan A sure as hell didn’t work, did it? ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/332 "2014-08-17T15:59:22Z")
It’s sucking babies’ penises, how can it NOT “evoke pedophilia”? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/333 "2014-08-17T16:05:50Z")
I think I get it now. I think our in-house counsel is defending the practice for completely selfish reasons. i.e If he was ever taking a piss in the bush and got bit on the dick by a rattle snake, any one of us would refuse to suck out the poison to save his life because of the ‘evoked blow jobiness’. Truth is, he’s probably right. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/334 "2014-08-17T17:40:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Well, Plan A sure as hell didn’t work, did it? Well, a little nagging might be helping. A little. [http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/a-new-alternative-to-jewish-circumcision/32930.article](http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/a-new-alternative-to-jewish-circumcision/32930.article) > [@](#): > > A brit milah is a Jewish circumcision ritual for male infants that has been celebrated for centuries. But what if the rite, commonly referred to as a bris, was replaced with a ceremony where a pomegranate was cut instead? > > Jews against circumcision are trying to find alternative ways to celebrate this important Jewish tradition, sans foreskin removal. A non-circumcision ceremony called brit shalom is slowly gaining momentum in Judaism, as parents who forego circumcision navigate how to celebrate their newborn’s life with other traditions. This movement is a subset of a broader trend that has seen steep declines in circumcision rates across the United States, particularly in the California Bay Area. A group called “intactivists,” anti-circumcision activists, has been growing in number as well. Brit shalom has a nice ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/335 "2014-08-17T18:05:23Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > It’s sucking babies’ penises, how can it NOT “evoke pedophilia”? See what I mean? It shouldn’t, because there is no remotely sexual gratification component to the practice. But because of the willingness of dishonest debaters to frame the issue this way, this kind of question gets asked. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/336 "2014-08-17T18:06:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Well, Plan A sure as hell didn’t work, did it? What was Plan A? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/337 "2014-08-17T18:11:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It shouldn’t, because there is no remotely sexual gratification component to the practice. You assume there is no component. You cannot know if some of the practitioners don’t find it so. This is your opinion, not a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/338 "2014-08-17T19:42:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What was Plan A? Getting them to stop sucking baby’s dicks for God because it’s dangerous, remember? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/339 "2014-08-17T19:54:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Getting them to stop sucking baby’s dicks for God because it’s dangerous, remember? Maybe I should have asked, “What was Plan A, and who was executing it?” New York put an ordinance into place forbidding it; that ordinance is in effect right now, although it’s being challenged. But I really don’t see the analogue here on the SDMB for Plan A – the focus on the danger without the sly implication of pedophilia. Where did that happen? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/340 "2014-08-17T19:56:07Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > ISIS, or whatever name they go by now, think their religion justifies beheading people. > You don’t get to hand wave away heinous behavior because “religion”. Nor am I. But it would be inaccurate to criticize ISIS by suggesting they are sexually excited by amputees, wouldn’t it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606.md?page=18)