# Orthodox Shitheads Defy Law In Order To Endanger Children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606 "2012-09-04T02:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/501 "2014-08-19T19:10:40Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > The culture of Orthodox Jews was formed in response to angry mobs a hundred times more vicious than a bunch of anti-pedo Americans. 😃 I’m not so sure. People love “To Catch A Predator” as entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/502 "2014-08-19T19:13:43Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Well, if anyone’s interested in another take on that “Mayo Clinic Study” that isn’t, here is Circwatch’s take on it: [http://circwatch.org/did-a-mayo-clinic-study-confirm-health-benefits-on-circumcision-or-how-to-manipulate-public-opinion-on-circumcision-using-clever-headlines/](http://circwatch.org/did-a-mayo-clinic-study-confirm-health-benefits-on-circumcision-or-how-to-manipulate-public-opinion-on-circumcision-using-clever-headlines/) > > Mayo Clinic did not perform any studies and two of the authors aren’t even medical doctors. One is a molecular biologist who has been linked to circumcision fetish websites including erotic stories about boys getting circumcised. All the authors are rabid circumcision advocates who have collaborated before. It seems their main goal with that “Mayo Clinic study” was to get medicaid to keep paying for a unnecessary procedure because if it weren’t free, even fewer people would elect to have it done to their children. So where’s the peer-reviewed rebuttal? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/503 "2014-08-19T19:24:02Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > In far more freaked out that there exists an organization entitled “Circwatch” whose sole mission is “Keeping an Eye on Circumcision Advocates”. Then you should learn a bit more about some of those circumcision advocates. Does Right Wing Watch freak you out? How about the ADL? Southern Law? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/504 "2014-08-19T19:29:34Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Then you should learn a bit more about some of those circumcision advocates. Does Right Wing Watch freak you out? How about the ADL? Southern Law? The Right Wing, anti-Semitism, etc. all seem, well, just a trifle more _significant_ as issues than combatting the evils of “circumcision advocates”. I am reminded of this thread: > **[Encountering weird sub-cultures](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=731447)** > > A recent purchase has led me down the internet tubes to one of the strangest places I’ve encountered - the subculture of men that are really into shaving. I bought myself a safety razor a couple weeks ago, and have been on line looking for... ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/505 "2014-08-19T19:55:15Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > The Right Wing, anti-Semitism, etc. all seem, well, just a trifle more _significant_ as issues than combatting the evils of “circumcision advocates”. > > I am reminded of this thread: > > [Encountering weird sub-cultures - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=731447) Someone has to pitch a fit or nothing will change, and ignorance will go unfought. I think you’re engaging in a logical fallacy of some sort. If it’s not as big a deal as genocide or something, what are you whining about? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/506 "2014-08-19T20:05:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Someone has to pitch a fit or nothing will change, and ignorance will go unfought. I think you’re engaging in a logical fallacy of some sort. If it’s not as big a deal as genocide or something, what are you whining about? Yes, and we have evolved a whole _system_ for fighting ignorance - involving science, and peer review, wierd and wonderful stuff like that. When I see a website that is basically a blog devoted to “pitching a fit” attacking scientific papers, with links to articles questioning the value of peer review, all in aid of fighting some alleged outlandish conspiracy whose aim is to “promote circumcision” (why, exactly, said conspiracy exists in the first place is left unstated) … well, let’s just say it makes me kinda skeptical. 😃 Now it could well be that we sheeple have been had by big medicine, what with their “science” and “peer review” pulling the wool over our eyes. Or it _could_ be that these guys are nuts with a bee in their bonnet. Oh, how can we ever decide? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/507 "2014-08-20T23:58:24Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > In far more freaked out that there exists an organization entitled “Circwatch” whose sole mission is “Keeping an Eye on Circumcision Advocates”. [Could be worse.](http://www.foreskinman.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606/508 "2014-08-21T23:16:43Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Ultra Orthodox Judaism continues to be as repellant as ever. This is just one of about five hundred disgusting practices they should drop but won’t. They don’t care anything much beyond breeding too many children, treating women like dirt and [pilpul](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilpul). I am glad I live here in America where they have very little influence instead of in Israel where they do. It is to laugh. [Welcome](http://nypost.com/2014/05/18/outrage-as-kiryas-joel-orders-map-of-hasidic-land-owners/) [to](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York) [the Village](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/nyregion/kiryas-joel-a-village-with-the-numbers-not-the-image-of-the-poorest-place.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) [of](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/nyregion/kiryas-joel-a-village-with-the-numbers-not-the-image-of-the-poorest-place.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) [Kiryas](http://www.debrapasquella.com/2007/07/whats-truth-among-hasidic-community.html) [Joel](http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115892/kiryas-joel-new-york-anti-semitism-accusations-who-leaked-times). The Satmar Sect Hasidim own the village of Kiryas Joel. They also own the political machine of Orange County, New York as well as controlling relevant political positions in the state capitol, Albany, New York. I lived on one of two roads that go into the village of Kiryas Joel for 15 years. Total control. Total power. It’s … stunning to live with. And, as to the ritual of pressing the mouth to the genitals, I ( who have a reputation around here for rather… virulent reactions… to sexual abuse stories and threads… ) see zero sexual about this. I do not for one minute believe that there’s a sexualized element to this at all. Rather, here’s my Raised As A Reform Jew But Lived Next To K.J. Take: As a former E.M.T. who worked a few thousand hours in a village directly adjacent to Kiryas Joel ( and responded to a few dozen calls alongside KJ EMS ), I witnessed what can only be described as [ZAKA-like behavior](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAKA). The members of both Kiryas Joel Volunteer EMS ( and [Hatzolah](http://www.hatzolahems.org/hatzolahs.html)) as well as civilians would return to the scene of an accident, or some would remain behind, to mop of every bit of blood they could in the case of a fatality. It is simply part of the laws they follow, known as [Halakha](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha). The _Mohel_ presses his mouth to the freshly cut genitals to catch the blood. While this isn’t a fatality moment ( we hope ! ), the “logic” of keeping the bodily fluids from being disposed of is steeped in Jewish law. I find it personally horrific. But I understand the tradition. Having said that, it is fair for even a relatively secular person such as myself to say that the most important law is to protect life. You’re quite ill and may not skip taking medications with water? It’s Yom Kippur? The Torah commands that you do everything you can to protect and preserve life, including your life. If that means taking a mouthful of water 3 times a day and therefore not fasting, well, God is down with that. A _Mohel_ responsible for the death of a baby because he transmitted Herpes is guilty of the greatest of sins- taking a life. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/orthodox-shitheads-defy-law-in-order-to-endanger-children/633606.md?page=25)