# OS6 Killed my iPad 2 -What to do?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [January 21, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918 "2013-01-21T17:03:28Z")\
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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/21 "2013-01-22T17:41:15Z")

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> [@xash](#):
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> Jail breaking an iPad is not illegal; it is just not specifically exempted as explicitly legal, as is the iPhone. There is a difference.
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> Until tested in the courts, it remains in a legal grey area, but it is not illegal unless a court rules it so, which no court has done to date. And neither have they ruled it legal, which is where the conundrum lies.

And if it were explicitly stated to be “illegal”, what then? SWAT team busting down your door?

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**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/22 "2013-01-22T17:54:02Z")

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> [@andyleonard](#):
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> It’s crashing on “low memory.” Do you need the whole deal or just that data?

You might as well post it.

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**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/23 "2013-01-22T18:28:00Z")

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> [@xash](#):
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> Jail breaking an iPad is not illegal; it is just not specifically exempted as explicitly legal, as is the iPhone. There is a difference.
> 
> Until tested in the courts, it remains in a legal grey area, but it is not illegal unless a court rules it so, which no court has done to date. And neither have they ruled it legal, which is where the conundrum lies.

The possibility of it being construed as illegal (and thusly against board rules) is what made me stop giving advice in this thread. So I guess the question is “can we give directions to things on SDMB that are in a legal gray area?”

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**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/24 "2013-01-22T19:47:11Z")

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Do you play any games on it? There are a bunch of poorly written ones that will give memory errors on some of the older hardware (because they’re hogs). I one worked with someone who had an iPhone 3GS and kept getting memory errors. I looked at the games she had running, did a quick google search, and said “That’s your issue. Bad game (one specific one widely reported to cause that issue), not bad phone. Stop bugging Apple to replace your phone, it won’t fix anything.”

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**Author:** ![andyleonard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19b73/32.png) [@andyleonard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andyleonard)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/25 "2013-01-23T06:59:49Z")

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Incident Identifier: 8CF1B7CF-0F96-4F77-9830-91773A42A823  
CrashReporter Key: 51cee5fdc36be2cb4a70a5cdf061fa133f8410b8  
Hardware Model: iPad2,1  
OS Version: iPhone OS 6.0.1 (10A523)  
Kernel Version: Darwin Kernel Version 13.0.0: Wed Oct 10 23:29:31 PDT 2012; root:xnu-2107.2.34~2/RELEASE\_ARM\_S5L8940X  
Date: 2013-01-21 10:35:41 -0800  
Time since snapshot: 749 ms

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Largest process: backboardd

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**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/26 "2013-01-24T01:29:01Z")

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> [@](#):
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> VI Mobile \<96b510b5af2d3d69b62970410ec74295\> 51556 51556 [vm] (frontmost) (resume)  
> backboardd \<a9b5346126a939dfb0920a4bbc48201b\> 90498 90498 (daemon)

These are the two biggest memory users. I think backboardd is part of the OS though, so suspicion falls on VI Mobile - do you have the latest version of that? Does the crash only happen when it’s in the foreground?

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**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/27 "2013-01-24T01:40:40Z")

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Backboardd is the processing layer that allows for automatic app suspend/resume and other background processing functions. It does appear to be using quite a bit of memory. Do you have any other apps running in the background (e.g. Pandora, Google Maps, etc.?)

Have you tried rebooting the device and starting VI Mobile first, before any other apps? Does it still crash then?

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**Author:** ![andyleonard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19b73/32.png) [@andyleonard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andyleonard)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/28 "2013-01-24T03:30:09Z")

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VI Mobile is the app I am having trouble with. It was written for and in conjunction with my company’s product. It ran fine before the upgrade. There are no other apps running AT ALL. I have tried every possible combination of resetting the ipad, erasing OS and reinstalling, rebooting, opening and closing apps, etc. The problem seems quite simple…the OS6 is using too much memory - compared to the same app, same camera system and same iPad - running 5.1.1

The original question was: How to get back to 5.1.1…everything else will remain the same. Is there any way - barring a seemingly impossible revert - to eliminate some of the bloatware in OS6? Can the system be picked apart?

I have about 15 Apple machines in my immediate environ and I must say this is pissing me off.

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**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/29 "2013-01-24T03:57:36Z")

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It’s not a generic incompatibility. I have two first-generation iPads at my store running iOS 6 with no problems whatsoever. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to narrow down what the problem actually is.

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**Author:** ![andyleonard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19b73/32.png) [@andyleonard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andyleonard)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/30 "2013-01-24T04:04:35Z")

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[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:29, topic:647918”]

It’s not a generic incompatibility. I have two first-generation iPads at my store running iOS 6 with no problems whatsoever. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to narrow down what the problem actually is.  
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An Ipad1 on ANY OS will not now/never did support the FullRes streaming image we are working with on this app; they are exempt from the conversation.

Unfortunately the OS6 upgrade has bombed my Ipad2 back into iPad1 territory as far as this application is concerned. OS 5.1.1 was fine. Problema.

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**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/31 "2013-01-24T04:16:11Z")

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> [@andyleonard](#):
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> An Ipad1 on ANY OS will not now/never did support the FullRes streaming image we are working with on this app; they are exempt from the conversation.
> 
> Unfortunately the OS6 upgrade has bombed my Ipad2 back into iPad1 territory as far as this application is concerned. OS 5.1.1 was fine. Problema.

Ah. I am unfamiliar with that particular app. In that case, I have nothing to offer on the question.

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**Author:** ![andyleonard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19b73/32.png) [@andyleonard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andyleonard)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/32 "2013-01-24T04:21:24Z")

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We’re real clear on the fact that we’re driving the damn things as hard as they’ll go…the software was written that way. Problem is they changed the playing field on us (and not just us - Google OS6 complaints - a bunch of stuff got boogered up, not just Maps and us) and their solution is “go buy a newer machine, you may NOT have the old OS back.” Classy!

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**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/33 "2013-01-24T04:30:45Z")

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My iPad 1 is pretty much worthless because I didn’t realize I wasn’t supposed to update. I received a new iPad for my birthday last year and have no intentions of ever updating. It’s criminal (well, I wish it were) that the lifespan of an iPad is so short. I wish Apple would provide a way of reverting to the original version of the operating system that came with it.

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**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/34 "2013-01-24T04:31:02Z")

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i haven’t tried jailbreaking, so i don’t know. however, from what i understand, jailbreaking is completely reversible. such that you can bring the machine to Apple and they won’t be able to tell. would jailbreaking the ipad, installing the old OS, then undoing the jailbreak, leave it back with the older OS?

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**Author:** ![andyleonard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19b73/32.png) [@andyleonard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andyleonard)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/35 "2013-01-24T04:48:17Z")

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> [@shijinn](#):
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> i haven’t tried jailbreaking, so i don’t know. however, from what i understand, jailbreaking is completely reversible. such that you can bring the machine to Apple and they won’t be able to tell. would jailbreaking the ipad, installing the old OS, then undoing the jailbreak, leave it back with the older OS?

Yes, but…

We’re above my paygrade here, but I’m reliably informed that UNLESS YOU KNEW BEFOREHAND and saved the SHSH blobs BEFORE YOU UPGRADED, jailbreaking will not necessarily allow you to successfully downgrade.

That said, Google “RedSnow” and hold your breath.

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**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/36 "2013-01-24T05:34:04Z")

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> [@Pai325](#):
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> My iPad 1 is pretty much worthless because I didn’t realize I wasn’t supposed to update.

“Pretty much worthless”? As I said above, I don’t know the app that the OP was talking about, but there isn’t a single thing I do on my “iPad 3” that I can’t do on my first-gen iPads. There are some apps that won’t run on the old ones, but that certainly doesn’t qualify them as “pretty much worthless.”

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**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/37 "2013-01-24T05:46:52Z")

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[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:36, topic:647918”]

“Pretty much worthless”? As I said above, I don’t know the app that the OP was talking about, but there isn’t a single thing I do on my “iPad 3” that I can’t do on my first-gen iPads. There are some apps that won’t run on the old ones, but that certainly doesn’t qualify them as “pretty much worthless.”  
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It seems like I can’t do much of anything on it, but you’re probably right that its not worthless. It started when I noticed that the Washington Post kept closing Safari when I would try to read it. It would start to load an article then just shut down. Then Facebook would shut Safari down. It’s not really any of the aps for me unless they have a lot of pictures; it’s sites online that just shut Safari down.

I have about five or six relatives and friends with the first generation and they have the same problem with Safari and some aps just closing down, too.

So although its not worthless, I never know what sites it won’t load, and that’s frustrating.

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**Author:** ![Caractacus\_Pott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Caractacus\_Pott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caractacus_Pott)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/38 "2013-01-24T05:53:15Z")

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**Pai325** , have you tried one of the other browsers out there? I use Opera on my first-gen iPad.

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**Author:** ![tellyworth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@tellyworth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tellyworth)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/39 "2013-01-24T06:23:56Z")

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It’s quite irrelevant to this thread, as the ipad 1 does not run iOS 6.

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/os6-killed-my-ipad-2-what-to-do/647918/40 "2013-01-24T09:04:07Z")

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> [@andyleonard](#):
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> We’re real clear on the fact that we’re driving the damn things as hard as they’ll go…the software was written that way. Problem is they changed the playing field on us (and not just us - Google OS6 complaints - a bunch of stuff got boogered up, not just Maps and us) and their solution is “go buy a newer machine, you may NOT have the old OS back.” Classy!

And that, my friends, is why a lot of us don’t like the walled garden. There’s no excuse for not allowing downgrades except to try to make you buy more hardware. It’s not as if people are pirating iOS or anything. There’s no need for the installation to need to be signed.

That’s the real reason for the walled garden, not protecting you.

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