# Oscar Madness - The Also-Rans (R1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 27, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514 "2008-06-27T23:31:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/1 "2008-06-27T23:31:36Z")
This is one of 4 Oscar Madness showdowns running, with this one having films that won multiple Oscars (but not Best Picture) square off against each other in four different time periods. All seeds and line-ups determined by the user poll data from the IMDB. Only feature-length fiction films were under consideration, and a director is limited to one film in each era. Please make your answers legible. The deadline is Wed. July 2 at 9am PST. 1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) vs. [16] Jezebel (Wyler, 1938) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) vs. [15] A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) vs. [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) vs. [13] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) vs. [12] Here Comes Mr. Jordan (Hall, 1941) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) vs. [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) vs. [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) vs. [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) vs. [16] Hud (Ritt, 1963) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) vs. [15] The Quiet Man (Ford, 1952) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) vs. [14] Doctor Zhivago (Lean, 1965) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) vs. [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [5] Judgment at Nuremberg (Kramer, 1961) vs. [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) vs. [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) vs. [10] The Heiress (Wyler, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) vs. [9] Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) vs. [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) vs. [15] The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) vs. [14] The Killing Fields (Joffe, 1984) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) vs. [13] Network (Lumet, 1976) [5] Aliens (Cameron, 1986) vs. [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) vs. [11] Barry Lyndon (Kubrick, 1975) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) vs. [10] The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) vs. [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) vs. [16] The Lion King (Allers/Minkoff, 1994) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) vs. [15] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Lee, 2000/Taiwan) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) vs. [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) vs. [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) vs. [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [6] The Pianist (Polanski, 2002) vs. [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) vs. [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) vs. [9] Life Is Beautiful (Benigni, 1998/Italy) ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/2 "2008-06-27T23:55:27Z")
1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) [13] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [13] Network (Lumet, 1976) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [15] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Lee, 2000/Taiwan) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) I don’t mind voting for the Capra (the first film I ever remember seeing, so I’ve got a soft spot) since I suspect _Philadelphia_ will still take it. Still, otherwise pretty basic, though the choices were harder than in the Winners thread. I’m not crazy about voting for the overrated _Butch_ but have to admit it’s still better than the Friedkin, and on another day, I probably could’ve just as easily voted for the Pixar (though I’d be surprised if it survives this round). ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [15] A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [13] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [16] Hud (Ritt, 1963) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [10] The Heiress (Wyler, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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Again, no comments. But they are comming in future rounds! These things are hard Archive Guy. 1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940)’ [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [10] The Heiress (Wyler, 1948) [9] Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) 1968-1987 [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [14] The Killing Fields (Joffe, 1984) (ok, one comment. How was this even a remotley fair matchup? I hate voting agianst Indy) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [[10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) Rough round. All four of these are rough. Oy. ---
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1928-1947 [1] **The Wizard of Oz** (Fleming, 1939) A great flick, timeless [2] **Great Expectations \*\* (Lean, 1946) Dickens always makes for a good movie [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) Powerful story [13] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) [12] Here Comes Mr. Jordan (Hall, 1941) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) Unfair!! They were both excellent! I own both!! But, darnit, _Fantasia_ was ahead of its time, and it has great music. [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) Ok, so I like sappy stories. So sue me. 😉 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [15] The Quiet Man (Ford, 1952) A personal fav of mine, though really the other is a better movie. [14] Doctor Zhivago (Lean, 1965) Lara (sigh) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [5] Judgment at Nuremberg (Kramer, 1961) [6] 8**½ \*\* (Fellini, 1963/Italy) _Spartacus_ was a _Ben Hur_ coattail rider. 😛 [10] **The Heiress** (Wyler, 1948) [8] **The Hustler** (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] \*\*Star Wars \*\* (Lucas, 1977) _Lion_ is good, but _Star Wars_ was the re-start of a whole genre. [2] **The Empire Strikes Back** (Kershner, 1980) Best of the _Star Wars_ movies. Actually has a good plot! [3] **Raiders of the Lost Ark** (Spielberg, 1981) Harrison Ford proves he’s a leading man [13] **Network** (Lumet, 1976) [12] **All the President’s Men** (Pakula, 1976) [11] **Barry Lyndon** (Kubrick, 1975) [7] **Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid** (Hill, 1969) Love this movie. Never saw either 8 or 9 1988-2007 [1] **The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring** (Jackson, 2001) Ugh, _Lion King_ was one of the worst of the Disney movies from that era. [15] **Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon** (Lee, 2000/Taiwan) [3] **The Matrix** (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [4] **Saving Private Ryan** [5] **Pan’s Labyrinth** (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) [6] **The Pianist** (Polanski, 2002) Refuse to vote for either 7 or 10 [9] **Life Is Beautiful** (Benigni, 1998/Italy) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [15] A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [16] Hud (Ritt, 1963) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [10] The Heiress (Wyler, 1948) [9] Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [15] The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) [14] The Killing Fields (Joffe, 1984) [13] Network (Lumet, 1976) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [10] The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [9] Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) 1968-1987 [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) [15] The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [13] Network (Lumet, 1976) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) (I love Robin Hood. I even watch the Kevin Costner fiasco) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) (I love this movie. Go Santa!) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [10] The Heiress (Wyler, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [16] The Lion King (Allers/Minkoff, 1994) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) (See my comments regarding “It’s a Wonderful Life” in the other thread) [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [6] The Pianist (Polanski, 2002) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [9] Life Is Beautiful (Benigni, 1998/Italy) (This movie made me cry.) ---
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I just love the citing of 8 1/2 as being directed by “Fellini/ 1963 Italy.” What, did they all take a turn? Anyway 1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz [15] A Star is Born [3] Seventh Heaven [4] The Philadelphia Story [5] The Grapes of Wrath [11] Fantasia [7] Sunrise [8] Black Narcissus I am probably the only person in the world who wouldn’t pick Miracle on 3th Street. “A Star is Born” was a toughie too. “The Wizard of Oz” is not my cup of tea - I’m straight, I guess - but you cannot deny its impact and technical skill. [1] Sunset Blvd [15] The Quiet Man [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre [4] High Noon [12] Bonnie and Clyde [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [7] The Red Shoes [8] The Hustler Tough bracketing; I ended up with a lot of movies I would not have chosen over movies I would have ranked ahead of them. It killed me to eliminate Dr. Zhivago. 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars [2] The Empire Strikes Back [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark [13] Network [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid [8] Fanny and Alexander Really fascinating choices here. “Star Wars” is picked for its impact, again, so I found it tough to also pick “The Empire Strikes Back,” but it was a better movie than “The Last Picture Show,” which I detested, so the SW franchise gets two nods due to the bracketing. It was very tough to eliminate “Aliens,” and tomorrow I might think I want to change my vote, but it’s a movie with some missteps. “Raging Bull” was the easiest choice in the contest. Had I been make the list I’d have included “Back to the Future” over a lot of these films. [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring [15] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon [3] The Matrix [4] Saving Private Ryan [5] Pan’s Labyrinth [11] Fargo [10] There Will Be Blood [9] Life Is Beautiful The first Lord of the Rings movie was by far the best. I chose “The Matrix,” like “Wizard of Oz,” as an acknowledgment of its impact; I personally enjoyed it but it didn’t give me a huge boner like it apparently did everyone else. Terminator 2 versus There Will Be Blood was a very weak matchup. I felt bad eliminating “The Incredibles,” and would have put “Finding Nemo” on the list before a lot of these films. ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [15] The Quiet Man (Ford, 1952) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [9] Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [15] The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [9] Life Is Beautiful (Benigni, 1998/Italy) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [6] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] Doctor Zhivago (Lean, 1965) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [5] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [8] Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [5] Aliens (Cameron, 1986) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [4] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [5] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [6] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) Aliens (Cameron, 1986) Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) The Lion King (Allers/Minkoff, 1994) The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) - a tough choice because I feel both are good but over-rated Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) Fargo (Coen, 1996) Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz [2] Great Expectations [14] The Song of Bernadette [13] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) [5] The Grapes of Wrath [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [9] Miracle on 34th St. 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. [15] The Quiet Man (Ford, 1952) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre [4] High Noon [5] Judgment at Nuremberg [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [7] The Red Shoes [8] The Hustler 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars [2] The Empire Strikes Back [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark [4] Apocalypse Now [5] Aliens [11] Barry Lyndon [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid [8] Z 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring [2] The Usual Suspects [14] Little Miss Sunshine [4] Saving Private Ryan [12] The Bourne Ultimatum [11] Fargo [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day [9] Life Is Beautiful ---
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Thanks for the comments. 🙂 [QUOTE=RickJay] I just love the citing of 8 1/2 as being directed by “Fellini/ 1963 Italy.” What, did they all take a turn? [/quote] I made it a policy to include the country of origin for any foreign-language film, just for clarification purposes. > [@](#): > > I am probably the only person in the world who wouldn’t pick Miracle on 3th Street. I didn’t either (_Narcissus_ is in my Desert Island 10) but I’m not holding my breath for P&P… > [@](#): > > Had I been make the list I’d have included “Back to the Future” over a lot of these films. _B2tF_ (which is in the “Losers” showdown) only won 1 Oscar, so doesn’t qualify for this showdown. Ditto _Nemo_ (which didn’t make the “Losers” cut); _The Incredibles_ is the only Pixar film to win 2. And like I said in another thread, these weren’t my choices–this was strictly off the IMDB rankings. ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) [4] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) [5] Here Comes Mr. Jordan (Hall, 1941) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [8] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [5] Judgment at Nuremberg (Kramer, 1961) [6] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [13] Network (Lumet, 1976) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [10] The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [13] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) 1948-1967 [16] Hud (Ritt, 1963) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [14] Doctor Zhivago (Lean, 1965) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [15] The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [15] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Lee, 2000/Taiwan) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [5] Judgment at Nuremberg (Kramer, 1961) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) 1968-1987 [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) Network (Lumet, 1976) All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [10] The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) vs. 1988-2007 [16] The Lion King (Allers/Minkoff, 1994) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [15] The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [13] Network (Lumet, 1976) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [15] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Lee, 2000/Taiwan) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [15] A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann, 1952) [5] Judgment at Nuremberg (Kramer, 1961) [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [10] The Heiress (Wyler, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) [15] The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) [14] The Killing Fields (Joffe, 1984) [13] Network (Lumet, 1976) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [10] The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) 1988-2007 [16] The Lion King (Allers/Minkoff, 1994) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
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1928-1947 [16] Jezebel (Wyler, 1938) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [13] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [5] Aliens (Cameron, 1986) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [10] The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) Joe [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514.md?page=2)