# Oscar Madness - The Also-Rans (R1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 27, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514 "2008-06-27T23:31:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RachelChristine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ab992/32.png) [@RachelChristine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RachelChristine)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/21 "2008-06-28T21:46:49Z")
1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [15] A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [16] Hud (Ritt, 1963) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) [9] Life Is Beautiful (Benigni, 1998/Italy) ---
**Author:** ![WoodenTaco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/45deac/32.png) [@WoodenTaco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WoodenTaco)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/22 "2008-06-28T22:26:36Z")
1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [14] Doctor Zhivago (Lean, 1965) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [9] Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [5] Aliens (Cameron, 1986) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) (Man, I am just rollin’ with the seeds here, aren’t I?) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [15] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Lee, 2000/Taiwan) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) High Noon vs A Streetcar Named Desire? Come on! You’re killing me! ---
**Author:** ![fusoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@fusoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fusoya)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/23 "2008-06-29T00:18:33Z")
Okay, fourth time doing this… 1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) (One of the most influencial movies of my childhood. I love Robin Hood, but no contest) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) 1948-1967 [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [4] High Noon (Zinnemann , 1952) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) v [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) (wow…so tough. Going with the one that needs the votes more) [11] Barry Lyndon (Kubrick, 1975) [10] The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) v [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) (FTW!) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [[10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) (FTW!!!) [9] Life Is Beautiful (Benigni, 1998/Italy) ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/24 "2008-06-30T00:42:50Z")
1928-1947 The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) pass pass Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) pass Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Hud (Ritt, 1963) [2] The Quiet Man (Ford, 1952) [3] Doctor Zhivago (Lean, 1965) [4] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [5] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [7]pass [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) . [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) . [9] Life Is Beautiful (Benigni, 1998/Italy) ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/25 "2008-06-30T09:31:45Z")
1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [14] The Song of Bernadette (King, 1943) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [5] Judgment at Nuremberg (Kramer, 1961) [11] Spartacus (Kubrick , 1960) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [1] Star Wars (Lucas, 1977) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [5] Aliens (Cameron, 1986) [6] Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [9] Life Is Beautiful (Benigni, 1998/Italy) ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/26 "2008-07-01T20:15:51Z")
Final bump. 20 hours to go! ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/27 "2008-07-01T20:22:20Z")
1928-1947 [1] The Wizard of Oz (Fleming, 1939) [2] Great Expectations (Lean, 1946) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) [4] The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940) [5] The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, 1940) [11] Fantasia (Disney, 1940) [7] Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) [9] Miracle on 34th St. (Seaton, 1947) 1948-1967 [1] Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) [2] To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan, 1962) [3] The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1948) [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) [12] Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) [7] The Red Shoes (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) [8] The Hustler (Rossen, 1961) 1968-1987 [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) [2] The Empire Strikes Back (Kershner, 1980) [3] Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg, 1981) [4] Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) [12] All the President’s Men (Pakula, 1976) [11] Barry Lyndon (Kubrick, 1975) [7] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Hill, 1969) [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) 1988-2007 [1] The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson, 2001) [2] The Usual Suspects (Singer, 1995) [14] Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton/Faris, 2006) [4] Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) - this one was harder than I thought. [11] Fargo (Coen, 1996) [10] There Will Be Blood (Anderson, 2007) [8] L.A. Confidential (Hanson, 1997) ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514/28 "2008-07-02T16:59:26Z")
1928-1947 [1] **The Wizard of Oz** (Fleming, 1939) vs. [16] Jezebel (Wyler, 1938) (23-1) [2] **Great Expectations** (Lean, 1946) vs. [15] A Star is Born (Wellman, 1937) (14-8) [3] Seventh Heaven (Borzage, 1927) vs. [14] **The Song of Bernadette** (King, 1943) (9-11) [4] **The Philadelphia Story** (Cukor, 1940) vs. [13] Lost Horizon (Capra, 1937) (15-8) [5] **The Grapes of Wrath** (Ford, 1940) vs. [12] Here Comes Mr. Jordan (Hall, 1941) (21-2) [6] The Adventures of Robin Hood (Curtiz/Keighley, 1938) vs. [11] **Fantasia** (Disney, 1940) (11-13) [7] **Sunrise** (Murnau, 1927) vs. [10] Sergeant York (Hawks, 1941) (13-8) [8] Black Narcissus (Powell/Pressburger, 1947) vs. [9] **Miracle on 34th St.** (Seaton, 1947) (9-15) 1948-1967 [1] **Sunset Blvd.** (Wilder, 1950) vs. [16] Hud (Ritt, 1963) (18-5) [2] **To Kill a Mockingbird** (Mulligan, 1962) vs. [15] The Quiet Man (Ford, 1952) (19-5) [3] **The Treasure of the Sierra Madre** (Huston, 1948) vs. [14] Doctor Zhivago (Lean, 1965) (19-5) [4] **High Noon** (Zinnemann , 1952) vs. [13] A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) (13-11) [5] Judgment at Nuremberg (Kramer, 1961) vs. [12] **Bonnie and Clyde** (Penn, 1967) (6-18) [6] 8½ (Fellini, 1963/Italy) vs. [11] **Spartacus** (Kubrick , 1960) (11-12) [7] **The Red Shoes** (Powell/Pressburger, 1948) vs. [10] The Heiress (Wyler, 1948) (14-6) [8] **The Hustler** (Rossen, 1961) vs. [9] Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Nichols, 1966) (16-7) 1968-1987 [1] **Star Wars** (Lucas, 1977) vs. [16] The Lion in Winter (Harvey, 1968) (16-8) [2] **The Empire Strikes Back** (Kershner, 1980) vs. [15] The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971) (17-7) [3] **Raiders of the Lost Ark** (Spielberg, 1981) vs. [14] The Killing Fields (Joffe, 1984) (21-3) [4] **Apocalypse Now** (Coppola, 1979) vs. [13] Network (Lumet, 1976) (15-9) [5] Aliens (Cameron, 1986) vs. [12] **All the President’s Men** (Pakula, 1976) (5-12) [6] **Raging Bull** (Scorsese, 1980) vs. [11] Barry Lyndon (Kubrick, 1975) (20-4) [7] **Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid** (Hill, 1969) vs. [10] The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) (18-6) [8] Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969/Algeria) vs. [9] Fanny and Alexander (Bergman, 1982/Sweden) - **TIE** (10-10) _Z_’s a tight, well-oiled machine, but _Fanny_ is one last masterpiece from a Giant. WINNER: _Fanny and Alexander_ 1988-2007 [1] **The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring** (Jackson, 2001) vs. [16] The Lion King (Allers/Minkoff, 1994) (20-4) [2] **The Usual Suspects** (Singer, 1995) vs. [15] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Lee, 2000/Taiwan) (18-6) [3] The Matrix (Wachowski/Wachowski, 1999) vs. [14] **Little Miss Sunshine** (Dayton/Faris, 2006) (11-13) [4] **Saving Private Ryan** (Spielberg, 1998) vs. [13] The Incredibles (Bird, 2004) (14-9) [5] Pan’s Labyrinth (del Toro, 2006/Mexico) vs. [12] The Bourne Ultimatum (Greengrass, 2007) - **TIE** (12-12) I find the Bourne movies interchangeable and redundant, but the del Toro is one-of-a-kind. WINNER: _Pan’s Labyrinth_ [6] The Pianist (Polanski, 2002) vs. [11] **Fargo** (Coen, 1996) (2-22) [7] Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Cameron, 1991) vs. [10] **There Will Be Blood** (Anderson, 2007) (9-13) [8] **L.A. Confidential** (Hanson, 1997) vs. [9] Life Is Beautiful (Benigni, 1998/Italy) (15-9) Not surprisingly, foreign language films fare poorly (0-3-1) against English language films. This will be a pattern in the other showdowns. Kubrick suffers his only loss here, but still has 5 films across the four showdowns (the most of any director). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-also-rans-r1/454514.md?page=1)