# Oscar Madness - The Forgotten (R1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 27, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-forgotten-r1/454518 "2008-06-27T23:43:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-forgotten-r1/454518/21 "2008-07-02T17:53:05Z")
1928-1947 [1] **Metropolis** (Lang, 1927/Germany) vs. [16] Out of the Past (Tourneur, 1947) (15-2) [2] **Modern Times** (Chaplin, 1936) vs. [15] The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1928/France) (11-6) [3] The Wind (Sjostrom/1928) vs. [14] **The Lady Vanishes** (Hitchcock/1938) (3-13) [4] Show People (Vidor, 1928) vs. [13] **Frankenstein** (Whale, 1931) (1-17) [5] The Big Sleep (Hawks, 1946) vs. [12] **Duck Soup** (McCarey, 1933) (6-12) [6] **The General (Keaton/Bruckman, 1927)** vs. [11] King Kong (Cooper/Schoedsack, 1933) (11-7) [7] **Beauty and the Beast** (Cocteau, 1946/France) vs. [10] Olympia (Riefenstahl, 1938/Germany) (14-2) [8] Trouble in Paradise (Lubitsch, 1932) vs. [9] **Napoleon** (Gance, 1927/France) (6-8) Some painful losses (and thankless choices), from Kong & Lubitsch to the exquisite _Joan_ & _Wind_. Interestingly, if we didn’t have the 1 film-per-director rule, Hawks would’ve had 3 in this grouping. Would _Bringing Up Baby_ or _His Girl Friday_ have done any better? For now, Hawks is 0-for-2 and completely out of competition. 1948-1967 [1] **The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly** (Leone, 1966) vs. [16] Ivan’s Childhood (Tarkovsky, 1962/USSR) (18-0) [2] **Paths of Glory** (Kubrick, 1957) vs. [15] High and Low (Kurosawa, 1963/Japan) (12-4) [3] Sansho the Bailiff (Mizogushi, 1954/Japan) vs. [14] **Sweet Smell of Success** (Mackendrick, 1957) (5-10) [4] **The Seventh Seal** (Bergman, 1957/Sweden) vs. [13] Rififi (Dassin, 1955/France) (12-5) [5] **Touch of Evil** (Welles, 1958) vs. [12] The Night of the Hunter (Laughton, 1955) (10-6) [6] **The Wages of Fear** (Clouzot, 1953/France) vs. [11] Kanal (Wajda, 1957/Poland) (14-1) [7] **Kind Hearts and Coronets** (Hamer, 1949) vs. [10] Rocco and His Brothers (Visconti, 1960/Italy) (14-0) [8] **Los Olvidados** (Bunuel, 1950/Mexico) vs. [9] Harikiri (Kobayashi, 1962/Japan) (8-6) The two director rule also adversely affected Mizoguchi & Bergman in this grouping (both would have had multiple reps here), but at least the better-known Swede lives for another day. And _Hunter_’s another painful loss (though to a worthy enough opponent). 1968-1987 [1] **Once Upon a Time in the West** (Leone, 1968) vs. [16] Ferris Bueller’s Day Off (Hughes, 1986) (13-5) [2] **The Shining** (Kubrick, 1980) vs. [15] Dawn of the Dead (Romero, 1978) (12-6) [3] **Monty Python and the Holy Grail** (Gilliam/Jones, 1975) vs. [14] A Christmas Story (Clark, 1983) (13-5) [4] Come and See (Klimov, 1985/USSR) vs. [13] **Manon of the Spring** (Berri, 1986/France) (5-9) [5] **The Terminator** (Cameron, 1984) vs. [12] Aguirre, the Wrath of God (Herzog, 1972/West Germany) (11-6) [6] Scarface (DePalma, 1983) vs. [11] Warriors of the Wind (Miyazaki, 1984/Japan) **TIE** (9-9) Hawks is out but this remake poser stays? Uh uh. It’s not as good as the losing “loser” _Spirited Away_, but Miyazaki still takes it. WINNER: _Warriors of the Wind_ [7] **The Thing** (Carpenter, 1982) vs. [10] Stalker (Tarkovsky, 1979/USSR) (11-7) [8] **Harold and Maude** (Ashby, 1971) vs. [9] Wings of Desire (Wenders, 1987/West Germany) (13-5) I like a naked Emmanuelle Béart as much as the next guy, but if you ever get a chance to see the harrowing _Come and See_, don’t pass it up. Unforgettable. 1988-2007 [1] **The Professional** (Besson, 1994) vs. [16] The Celebration (Vinterberg, 1998/Denmark) (16-2) [2] Sin City (Rodriguez, 2005) vs. [15] Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988/Japan) - **TIE** (9-9) I’m not that big an anime fan, but two mediocre crime film winners in this grouping is enough. WINNER: _Grave of the Fireflies_ [3] **Reservoir Dogs** (Tarantino, 1992) vs. [14] Infernal Affairs (Mak/Lau, 2002/Hong Kong) (13-5) [4] Donnie Darko (Kelly, 2001) vs. [13] **Groundhog Day** (Ramis, 1993) (2-16) [5] Oldboy (Park, 2003/South Korea) vs. [12] **Snatch** (Ritchie, 2000) (7-11) [6] **Princess Mononoke** (Miyazaki, 1997/Japan) vs. [11] Nobody Knows (Koreeda, 2004/Japan) (13-3) [7] Time of the Gypsies (Kusturica, 1988/Yugoslavia) vs. [10] **Heat** (Mann, 1995) (6-12) [8] V for Vendetta (McTeigue, 2005) vs. [9] **The Big Lebowski** (Coen, 1998) (0-18) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-forgotten-r1/454518/22 "2008-07-02T18:52:40Z")
[1] Metropolis (Lang, 1927/Germany) [2] Modern Times (Chaplin, 1936)\* [14] The Lady Vanishes (Hitchcock/1938) [13] Frankenstein (Whale, 1931) [12] Duck Soup (McCarey, 1933) [11] King Kong (Cooper/Schoedsack, 1933) [7] Beauty and the Beast (Cocteau, 1946/France) [9] Napoleon (Gance, 1927/France) [1] The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (Leone, 1966) [15] High and Low (Kurosawa, 1963/Japan) [14] Sweet Smell of Success (Mackendrick, 1957) [4] The Seventh Seal (Bergman, 1957/Sweden) [12] The Night of the Hunter (Laughton, 1955) [6] The Wages of Fear (Clouzot, 1953/France) [7] Kind Hearts and Coronets (Hamer, 1949) [9] Harikiri (Kobayashi, 1962/Japan) [16] Ferris Bueller’s Day Off (Hughes, 1986) [2] The Shining (Kubrick, 1980) [3] Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Gilliam/Jones, 1975) [4] Come and See (Klimov, 1985/USSR) [12] Aguirre, the Wrath of God (Herzog, 1972/West Germany) [11] Warriors of the Wind (Miyazaki, 1984/Japan) [10] Stalker (Tarkovsky, 1979/USSR) [8] Harold and Maude (Ashby, 1971) [16] The Celebration (Vinterberg, 1998/Denmark) [15] Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988/Japan) [14] Infernal Affairs (Mak/Lau, 2002/Hong Kong) [13] Groundhog Day (Ramis, 1993) [12] Snatch (Ritchie, 2000) [6] Princess Mononoke (Miyazaki, 1997/Japan) [10] Heat (Mann, 1995) [9] The Big Lebowski (Coen, 1998) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-forgotten-r1/454518/23 "2008-07-02T18:59:30Z")
Duh. Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-forgotten-r1/454518/24 "2008-07-02T19:03:12Z")
No worries–your votes would’ve been the same tie-breakers I chose in any case. 🙂 Round 2 will be up in a few minutes… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-madness-the-forgotten-r1/454518.md?page=1)