# Oscar Nominations **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 11, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350 "2003-02-11T14:52:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![scablet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@scablet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scablet)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/21 "2003-02-11T16:59:49Z")
no makeup, costume, cinematography or director for TTT? barfy smiley. spirited away has _got_ to win animated feature film. if it were up to me i’d replace GONY with spirited away in the best picture category. what’s GONY doing in the original screenplay running, for that matter? and catherine zeta-jones was a fine dancer in Chicago, but she didn’t do a whole lot of acting - ditto to Queen Latifah, whom I loved, but Oscar material? the supporting categories in general are fairly thin this year, though i am glad to see ed harris up for a golden nudie. the hours is most definitely going to win best picture [sadly]. it should have been up for best makeup, too - did you see how they managed to write ‘PLEASE GIVE ME AN OSCAR PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE THANKS’ on nicole kidman’s forehead in invisible ink? astounding! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/22 "2003-02-11T17:05:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KneadToKnow \* > \*\*When was the last time a person was nominated in _both_ the actor/actress and supporting actor/actress categories? Has anyone ever one both in the same year? \*\* I know that Pacino was nominated for Best Actor (SCENT OF A WOMAN) and Best Supporting Actor (GLENGARRY GLENROSS) in the same year. He won Best Actor but could legally have won both. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/23 "2003-02-11T17:19:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Has anyone ever one both in the same year? :rolleyes: Or _won_ both in the same year, for that matter? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Phoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Dragon\_Phoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragon_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/24 "2003-02-11T17:28:18Z")
Gollums song (from LotR-TTT) not even nominated? They _are_ nuts. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/25 "2003-02-11T17:29:48Z")
No, although most of them have won one of the two: Fay Bainter, Teresa Wright, Barry Fitzgerald, Holly Hunter, Al Pacino, Jessica Lange all received Lead & Supporting nominations in the same year, and they all won one of the two. Emma Thompson and Sigourney Weaver are the only two that lost both. ---
**Author:** ![CyberPundit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@CyberPundit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyberPundit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/26 "2003-02-11T17:37:50Z")
I am pleased that TTT got the Best Picture nomination. It won’t win but after losing twice in a row, LOTR will have an excellent chance to win next year. Spirited Away was bound to get a nomination since there were going to be five spots this year. Though I admit I haven’t seen the other entries this is the film I will be rooting on Oscar night not only because it’s wonderful but because an Oscar win could mean it gets the wide release it deserves. Many people seem to think that Disney won’t push another studio’s film. But from a purely commercial angle, an Oscar win will make a huge difference to Spirited Away (especially for the April DVD release) whereas it will make little difference to Lilo and Stich or Treasure Planet. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/27 "2003-02-11T17:48:53Z")
Has a fictional alter-ego ever been nominated for anything before? ---
**Author:** ![Dumbguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dumbguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dumbguy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/28 "2003-02-11T17:57:00Z")
Scorcese may finally win an oscar for the worst movie he’s ever made. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/29 "2003-02-11T18:02:26Z")
Yes, the Coen Brothers edited _Fargo_ but used the alias Roderick Jaynes. “He” got nominated. Robert Towne was dissatisfied with the final product of _Greystoke_ so took his name off the credits, replacing it with the alias P.H. Vazak (supposedly named for his dog). He got nominated. Robert Rich won the Oscar for Best Motion Picture Story for _The Brave One_ back in 1956. Only, Robert Rich didn’t exist; he was the pseudonym for the blacklisted writer Dalton Trumbo. It took the Academy almost 20 years before they gave Trumbo the Oscar. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/30 "2003-02-11T18:11:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jsc1953 \* > \*\*Odd that Howard Shore (score) and Andrew Lesnie (cinematography) won for FOTR last year, but weren’t nominated this year in the same categories, for basically a continuation of the same film. > > Is some of the work in LOTR:TTT disqualified because it was seen before in FOTR? For instance, is Aragorn’s or Gimli’s costume ineligible for consideration in Costume Design because it’s not original to TTT? > > Or, if some of Howard Shore’s music for TTT reprises themes heard in FOTR, does that make it ineligible? \*\* No, the academy just didn’t nominate them. Pretty surprising, really. It’s just a case of not wanting to do the same thing two years in a row. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/31 "2003-02-11T18:22:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sampiro \* > \*\*Why is GANGS OF NEW YORK nominated for Best Original Screenplay when it’s based on a 70 year old book? > \*\* The official line is that the book by [Asbury](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1560252758/qid=1044987272/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-3312852-0368660) was used as a source of reference material rather than as the source for the script. I think the language used is that the movie was “inspired” by the book. Of course, in that case I think you would have to say that “Adaptation” was also “inspired” by the Orchid Thief, rather than based on it. Maybe they could just switch the two? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/32 "2003-02-11T18:34:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NotWithoutRage \* > \*\*My Oscar comment: Way to go to the Academy for John C. Reilly’s nomination, though it could have been for any of the three movies (“Chicago”, “The Hours” and “The Good Girl”) that he was brilliant in this year. \*\* IIRC, in Oscar’s first years (late '20s), actors were nominated for their body of work in the given year–not for a particular role. (Which made sense, when actors cranked out 2 or 3 films each year). So Reilly is kind of a throwback, in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/33 "2003-02-11T18:47:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ArchiveGuy \* > \*\* > > Robert Rich won the Oscar for Best Motion Picture Story for _The Brave One_ back in 1956. Only, Robert Rich didn’t exist; he was the pseudonym for the blacklisted writer Dalton Trumbo. It took the Academy almost 20 years before they gave Trumbo the Oscar. \*\* I guess someone “accepted the award on Trumbo’s behalf”, huh? The adapted screenplay Oscar in 1957 went to Pierre Boulle for **Bridge on the River Kwai**. Blacklisted writers Carl Foreman and Michael Wilson weren’t listed, so the award went to Boulle alone–even though he didn’t speak English. Foreman and Wilson got their Oscars in 1984. ---
**Author:** ![InTransit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47774/32.png) [@InTransit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InTransit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/34 "2003-02-11T19:03:55Z")
Wrote this big old post, but SDMB logged me out. Hate that. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RickJay \* > **"Gangs of New York" was a dreadful choice for Best Picture, probably the worst nominee in years.** They’re setting up the Best Director for Martin Scorsese, which is too bad because while he deserves some sort of lifetime achievement award, he doesn’t deserve it for this movie. PJ’s the only director on the Best Pic list not nominated for Best Director. Is that some sort of slap in the face? I know most people didn’t like TTT because of the split storylines. > [@](#): > > **I was holding out some hope Dennis Quaid would be nominated for “The Rookie,” a terribly overlooked performance, but I guess that had to give Jack Nicholson another trip to the front row.** Me, too. I was very sad that neither of his wonderful performances [i[The Rookie\* & _Far From Heaven_) were acknowledged. > [@](#): > > **Paul Newman for “Road to Perdition”? Well, that settles the Andy Serkis question.** But Paul Newman is… Paul Newman. I liked _Road to Perdition_ enough, and maybe people were just surprised that Paul Newman decided to play a bad guy, but I didn’t think it was much of a role for Paul Newman. I don’t think the Academy can get around the fact that Andy Serkis’ face wasn’t actually on screen. You’re an actor. Your face should always be on the screen. Maybe next year (not holding my breath though). > [@](#): > > \*\*If “Adaptation” wins for Best Screenplay, I’ll shoot someone. [. . .] Wasn’t “My Big Fat Greek Wedding” based on a play? \*\* If _My Big Fat Greek Wedding_ wins for anything, I will throw hard objects at my tv. Why that movie is so loved is beyond me. It’s, at best, a cute matinee movie. Blech. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/35 "2003-02-11T19:08:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by scablet \* > \*\* > > - did you see how they managed to write ‘PLEASE GIVE ME AN OSCAR PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE THANKS’ on nicole kidman’s forehead in invisible ink? astounding! \*\* She deserves the Oscar. She was outstanding in The Hours, as she is in all her movies. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/36 "2003-02-11T19:17:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RickJay \* > \*\*Road to Perdition had more Oscar nominations than the number of days it lasted in the theatres. \*\* Of course, it earned almost $100 million at the box office, so that’s not even close to being accurate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c2a13f/32.png) [@The\_Man\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_Who)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/37 "2003-02-11T19:21:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by InTransit \* > **They’re setting up the Best Director for Martin Scorsese, which is too bad because while he deserves some sort of lifetime achievement award, he doesn’t deserve it for this movie. PJ’s the only director on the Best Pic list not nominated for Best Director. Is that some sort of slap in the face? I know most people didn’t like TTT because of the split storylines.** Not a personal slap in the face, but there’s usually one pair of movies that way every year. I suspect that next year neither film nor director will be nominated. And it may not even get much more than technical awards noms. I don’t think the academy like sci-fi/fantasy as much as the fans do. And if you thought the “Blame Canada” controversy was fun, I’d like to thank the Academy for nominating “Lose Yourself” from “8 Mile.” Thanks. -Myron ---
**Author:** ![Treviathan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@Treviathan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treviathan)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/38 "2003-02-11T19:24:06Z")
Can someone explain the absence of nominations for _Y Tu Mama Tambien_ and _Talk to Her_ in the Best Foreign Film category? Since they both got nods in other categories, I’m assuming they’re eligible, right? Other random thoughts: I also wish _Y Tu Mama Tambien_ was nominated for Best Art Direction - what an incredibly beautiful movie that was. I can’t believe there wasn’t more of a push to get Jennifer Aniston nominated for _The Good Girl_; not that I think she would’ve won, but she’s got a high enough profile that any sort of campaign probably would’ve got her a nod. And _The Hours_ better win the award for Best Editing, if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/39 "2003-02-11T19:31:01Z")
How the hell can LOTR be nominated for Best Picture, but no Best Director nod for Peter Jackson? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350/40 "2003-02-11T19:34:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Not a personal slap in the face, but there’s usually one pair of movies that way every year. I suspect that next year neither film nor director will be nominated. And it may not even get much more than technical awards noms. I don’t think the academy like sci-fi/fantasy as much as the fans do. Actually, The Man Who, I’d argue just the opposite. They knew Jackson would deliver again next year and that the film will rake in a lot more nods. Right now, they’re taking a bit of a breather, since _TTT_ is largely transitional, with some interesting developments but no real resolution. The most telling indicator is the Best Picture nod. We’re not talking _Empire Strikes Back_ here, which just got some technicals after _Star Wars_ got a host of major nominations. The fact that _TTT_ still got a Picture nod means that there is a significant portion of the Academy that thinks the series is worthy. So it didn’t repeat on Costumes, Score, or Cinematography; I’ll bet that’ll change next year as well. I’d argue **Return of the King** is already positioned as the favorite for the Big Enchilada next year. > [@](#): > > Can someone explain the absence of nominations for Y Tu Mama Tambien and Talk to Her in the Best Foreign Film category? Since they both got nods in other categories, I’m assuming they’re eligible, right? Actually, they can only consider one film per country, and that is based on the film that country chooses to submit for consideration. Neither Spain nor Mexico chose to submit _Talk_ and _Mama_, respectively (although Mexico’s submission, _The Crime of Father Amaro_ did make the final 5), and that’s why it was already understood they didn’t have a chance in that category. Major credit goes to the writing and directing branch for selecting these films on their nominee slates. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscar-nominations/154350.md?page=3)