# Oscars 2017 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 27, 2017, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905 "2017-02-27T01:12:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/221 "2017-02-27T21:41:02Z")
It is an awesome video. Dan Fienberg of _The Hollywood Reporter_ talks about it being a modern day Zapruder film. But I just think it’s hard to argue that for the producer I’m talking about, it wouldn’t have been better form either to continue to refuse to speak, or do what the other producer did after him, which was to declare _Moonlight_ the winner and start trying to get things untangled. He is not history’s greatest criminal, but he did not cover himself with glory either. I would call it a misdemeanor. ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/222 "2017-02-27T21:43:08Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > 2016 Spotlight > 2017 Moonlight > 2018 Gaslight ? > Maybe Gaslight: the Sean Spicer story 😛 Great user name, because it’s all about light again this year. Moonlight was especially notable for cinematography given, the insanely huge torch that’s being carried throughout half the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/223 "2017-02-27T22:05:18Z")
The guy who gave Warren Beatty the wrong envelope was [tweeting pictures of Emma Stone](https://www.wsj.com/articles/pwc-partner-in-charge-of-oscar-winner-envelopes-was-tweeting-backstage-minutes-before-best-picture-mix-up-1488227883) backstage right before giving Warren Beatty the wrong envelope. SOME people just should not be allowed to use Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/224 "2017-02-27T22:14:20Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > The guy who gave Warren Beatty the wrong envelope was [tweeting pictures of Emma Stone](https://www.wsj.com/articles/pwc-partner-in-charge-of-oscar-winner-envelopes-was-tweeting-backstage-minutes-before-best-picture-mix-up-1488227883) backstage right before giving Warren Beatty the wrong envelope. > > SOME people just should not be allowed to use Twitter. I just realized you have to be a subscriber or sign up to WSJ to read the whole article. I have to find a better link. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/225 "2017-02-27T22:28:41Z")
> [@eunoia](#): > > Based on what you’ve said, you may be well past Oscar-level film appreciation, but go see Moonlight. Both as incentive and a warning, there are wonderful miracles of filmcraft in this film, but also unfortunate Hollywood-style miracles in the story. To be honest, just about every film nominated has some sort of Hollywood-style miracles (the exception being Manchester by the Sea… but I have yet to also see Fences, Lion, and La La Land). ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/226 "2017-02-27T22:28:43Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > I just realized you have to be a subscriber or sign up to WSJ to read the whole article. I have to find a better link. Here ya go: [tmz](http://www.tmz.com/) mmm ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/227 "2017-02-27T22:32:30Z")
I’m pasting again from Mark Evanier’s site (if you get a chance visit his site, he writes a great blog) where he’s compiled a list of performers who passed away last year that weren’t featured on the In Memoriam last night: So far, I’ve seen Gloria DeHaven, Alan Young, Robert Vaughn, John McMartin, Anne Jackson, Steven Hill, Brian Bedford, Tammy Grimes, Rita Gam, Dick Davalos, Patricia Barry, Marvin Kaplan, Ruth Terry, Madeleine Lebeau, Francine York, Van Williams, Douglas Wilmer, Peter Vaughn, Fritz Weaver, Madeleine Sherwood, William Schallert, Charmian Carr, Maggie Blye, James Stacy, Alec McCowen, Burt Kwouk, Barbara Hale, Robert Horton, Jon Polito, Garry Shandling, Larry Drake, Miguel Ferrer, Bill Henderson, Teresa Saldana, Kevin Meaney, Jinpachi Nezu, Joseph Mascolo, Frank Pellegrini, Gil Hill, Peter Brown, Nicole Courcel, Joe Santos, Florence Henderson, Doris Roberts and David Huddleston. ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/228 "2017-02-28T00:41:13Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > To be honest, just about every film nominated has some sort of Hollywood-style miracles (the exception being Manchester by the Sea… but I have yet to also see Fences, Lion, and La La Land). That’s fair. As mentioned in other Oscar threads, 3 of 9 nominees play the “based on a true story” card, even ending the film with a montage of the real people who inspired the movie. But sure, it’s tough to fairly discuss Best Picture Oscar nominees in _any_ year without addressing the discrepancy between what’s believable and what the audience is being sold. That said, it would also be way unfair to single this movie out as farfetched or characterize Moonlight as a Hollywood picture in any other sense. ---
**Author:** ![TYphoonSignal8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@TYphoonSignal8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TYphoonSignal8)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/229 "2017-02-28T01:25:17Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Tweet from Ricky Gervais: > > “Apparently, I’m favourite to host next year’s Oscars! Warren Beaty just told me. Very excited.” Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/230 "2017-02-28T01:27:17Z")
Price Waterhouse guy who handed out the wrong envelope was busy tweeting pictures just three minutes before the Best Picture fiasco. What happened to focussing on your job, instead of bragging about your backstage access?!? “You had ONE job!” [https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/02/27/a-tweet-may-be-to-blame-for-the-biggest-oscar-goof-up-in-history.html](https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/02/27/a-tweet-may-be-to-blame-for-the-biggest-oscar-goof-up-in-history.html) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/231 "2017-02-28T04:15:22Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > I’m pasting again from Mark Evanier’s site (if you get a chance visit his site, he writes a great blog) where he’s compiled a list of performers who passed away last year that weren’t featured on the In Memoriam last night: > > So far, I’ve seen Gloria DeHaven, Alan Young, Robert Vaughn, John McMartin, Anne Jackson, Steven Hill, Brian Bedford, Tammy Grimes, Rita Gam, Dick Davalos, Patricia Barry, Marvin Kaplan, Ruth Terry, Madeleine Lebeau, Francine York, Van Williams, Douglas Wilmer, Peter Vaughn, Fritz Weaver, Madeleine Sherwood, William Schallert, Charmian Carr, Maggie Blye, James Stacy, Alec McCowen, Burt Kwouk, Barbara Hale, Robert Horton, Jon Polito, Garry Shandling, Larry Drake, Miguel Ferrer, Bill Henderson, Teresa Saldana, Kevin Meaney, Jinpachi Nezu, Joseph Mascolo, Frank Pellegrini, Gil Hill, Peter Brown, Nicole Courcel, Joe Santos, Florence Henderson, Doris Roberts and David Huddleston. Patricia Arquette is angry that her sister Alexis wasn’t mentioned, and she calls it a slight to the trans community. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/232 "2017-02-28T04:18:03Z")
There have been a LOT of Hollywood feature-film remakes of 70’s and 80’s TV series lately. It demonstrates a lack of fresh ideas and is pretty lame overall. Nonetheless you have to give credit where credit’s due. _ **Moonlighting** _ was every bit as hilarious and romantic as the TV show that inspired it and it was _more_ than deserving of the Best Picture Oscar. But while the cast was outstanding I still have to wonder why Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepherd weren’t in this film. ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/233 "2017-02-28T05:05:10Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > I still have to wonder why Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepherd weren’t in this film. [spoiler]Blink and you’ll miss it, but Allyce Beasley does have a cameo as a crackwhore. Plus maybe you’re thinking of Moon Over Parador.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/234 "2017-02-28T05:14:19Z")
\*Moonlight \*was a fine picture, but holy shit did I see the same film as the people who said that it had no preachy message. It had messages in spades, parental abuse bad, crack whores worse, bullying evil, redemption and forgiveness feel great… and I am not even half way through the film yet. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/235 "2017-02-28T05:30:04Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > \*Moonlight \*was a fine picture, but holy shit did I see the same film as the people who said that it had no preachy message. It had messages in spades, parental abuse bad, crack whores worse, bullying evil, redemption and forgiveness feel great… and I am not even half way through the film yet. I just don’t see why simply having that in a film makes it “preachy.” I certainly did not feel I was being preached to, I believed I was watching acharacter study of one man’s life. It’s kinda like saying “The Wire” is preachy cause “Drugs are bad mmkay?” ---
**Author:** ![alexandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@alexandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alexandra)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/236 "2017-02-28T07:46:58Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yup, great video. That guy, the one speaking French, knew he was straight up grifting, stealing time on national TV, but he just boldly did it anyway. I wonder what the repercussions have been, will be, for him among his peers? Saying your speech and then adding “we lost” doesn’t make it right. He was still consciously being more part of the problem than the solution. It’s not a great choice but very human and funny. It makes the clear-headedness of Jordan Horowitz all the more impressive. I watched the clip a couple of times and he is a man you want around in a crisis. No one on stage knows what to do and he is just like “No. This isn’t right. Moonlight won- here is the proof.” ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/237 "2017-02-28T10:53:21Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > \*Moonlight \*was a fine picture, but holy shit did I see the same film as the people who said that it had no preachy message. It had messages in spades… Oh no you din’t. mmm ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/238 "2017-02-28T15:09:50Z")
Did someone just bring a large pachyderm into the parlour, or was it here before? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/239 "2017-02-28T16:35:14Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I just don’t see why simply having that in a film makes it “preachy.” I certainly did not feel I was being preached to, I believed I was watching acharacter study of one man’s life. > > It’s kinda like saying “The Wire” is preachy cause “Drugs are bad mmkay?” _The Wire_ does have a certain amount of preachitude to it (although I do consider it a great show). But I take from it less that “drugs are bad” than “the war against drugs is bad”. > [@alexandra](#): > > It’s not a great choice but very human and funny. It makes the clear-headedness of Jordan Horowitz all the more impressive. I watched the clip a couple of times and he is a man you want around in a crisis. No one on stage knows what to do and he is just like “No. This isn’t right. Moonlight won- here is the proof.” Yup, agreed. ---
**Author:** ![SUZ\_MAC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@SUZ\_MAC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SUZ_MAC)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/240 "2017-02-28T16:42:20Z")
I don’t think this has been mentioned yet, but after Warren looked at the card and then again inside the envelope he clearly leans back and looks around Faye looking for someone with a WT? look on his face. Then he throws Faye under the bus. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905.md?page=13)