# Oscars 2017 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 27, 2017, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905 "2017-02-27T01:12:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/141 "2017-02-27T06:30:13Z")
There’s one word that comes to my mind to describe the closing minutes of the 2017 Academy Awards: Clownshoes. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/142 "2017-02-27T06:33:18Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Uh. no, you need to think of it like a “school year” the ones honored do include the ones that died in January and February of the year the Oscar are given. Oh, “ **school year** ”. Right. :smack: So much for logic. ---
**Author:** ![digitalskeeza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@digitalskeeza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digitalskeeza)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/143 "2017-02-27T06:39:47Z")
> [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](#): > > Also, Eric Idle won Twitter: Nice, but the REAL winner is M. Night Shamylan: “I wrote the ending of the academy awards 2017. @jimmykimmel we really got them!” ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/144 "2017-02-27T06:52:40Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Andy Ihnatko Tweeted out [a still frame of the envelope in Warren Beatty’s hand.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5plFdXWgAAMzgz.jpg) It’s a bit hard to read, but it says “Actress In A Leading Role.” It’s crazy, I retweeted that just adding a little comment, and MY tweet has been liked 67 times and retweeted 42 times. And NONE of those people follow me. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/145 "2017-02-27T08:08:15Z")
_Moonlight_ is a great movie and thoroughly deserving of its Oscar. But because of the idiotic kerfuffle last year the doubters out there will all be saying, _Well, you know why that got the Oscar, don’t you?_ (And I’ll lay odds they haven’t even seen the film.) It isn’t true of course, I have no doubt that even if there had been no #OscarsSoWhite this film would have still won the Oscar. All that the complaints last year did was to taint the award, be it ever so slightly. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/146 "2017-02-27T08:10:42Z")
> [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](#): > > Also, Eric Idle won Twitter: > [@digitalskeeza](#): > > Nice, but the REAL winner is M. Night Shamylan: Those are both good. I also liked singer-songwriter Jill Sobule’s response: [QUOTE=Jill Sobule] La La Land should have spent more time campaigning in Wisconsin. [/QUOTE] Matt Besser from The Upright Citizens Brigade tweeted at the start of the ceremony: [QUOTE=Matt Besser] SPOILER ALERT: I’m watching the Oscars on the East Coast feed. I can’t believe Moonlight pulled off the upset!! [/QUOTE] He took great pride in retweeting himself at the end of the night! ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/147 "2017-02-27T08:38:51Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > _Moonlight_ is a great movie and thoroughly deserving of its Oscar. But because of the idiotic kerfuffle last year the doubters out there will all be saying, _Well, you know why that got the Oscar, don’t you?_ (And I’ll lay odds they haven’t even seen the film.) > > It isn’t true of course, I have no doubt that even if there had been no #OscarsSoWhite this film would have still won the Oscar. All that the complaints last year did was to taint the award, be it ever so slightly. And the asterisk would be accurate. I thought _Hidden Figure_s o_r Hell or High Wate_r deserved the win, not the trite by the numbers _Moonlight_ or _La La Land_. As it is; the envelope kerfuffle will overshadow that. ---
**Author:** ![TYphoonSignal8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@TYphoonSignal8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TYphoonSignal8)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/148 "2017-02-27T08:53:44Z")
Funny tweet from the Miss Universe organisers, paraphrased: get your people to call our people as we know what to do in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/149 "2017-02-27T09:08:19Z")
Doesn’t Donald Trump own Miss Universe? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/150 "2017-02-27T09:17:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Billy Eichner** > IF ANYONE FROM THE IN MEMORIAM IS STILL ALIVE LET US KNOW and what do you know… [Australian Producer Jan Chapman Devastated by Mistaken In-Memoriam Photo](http://variety.com/2017/film/awards/oscars-in-memoriam-segment-janet-patterson-wrong-photo-jan-chapman-1201997597/) ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/151 "2017-02-27T09:25:41Z")
Here’s a final list of all the winners. Not everybody is credited. Even though I don’t have to work in the morning, I’m too tired to finish. **Best Picture** ``` Moonlight ``` **Best Director** ``` Damien Chazelle - La La Land ``` **Best Actress** ``` Emma Stone - La La Land ``` **Best Actor** ``` Casey Affleck - Manchester by the Sea ``` **Best Supporting Actress** ``` Viola Davis - Fences ``` **Best Supporting Actor** ``` Mahershala Ali - Moonlight ``` **Best Adapted Screenplay** ``` Moonlight Screenplay by Barry Jenkins; Story by Tarell Alvin McCraney Adapted from McCraney's (unproduced) stage play "In Moonlight Black Boys Look Blue" ``` **Best Original Screenplay** ``` Kenneth Lonergan - Manchester by the Sea ``` **Best Foreign Language Film** ``` The Salesman (Iran) - Directed by Asghar Farhadi ``` **Best Animated Feature** ``` Zootopia ``` **Best Film Editing** ``` John Gilbert - Hacksaw Ridge ``` **Best Cinematography** Linus Sandgren - La La Land **Best Original Score** ``` Justin Hurwitz - La La Land ``` **Best Original Song** ``` “City of Stars,” La La Land ``` **Best Costume Design** ``` Colleen Atwood - Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them ``` **Best Documentary Feature** ``` O.J.: Made in America ``` **Best Production Design** ``` David Wasco (Production Design); Sandy Reynolds-Wasco (Set Decoration) - La La Land ``` **Best Visual Effects** ``` The Jungle Book ``` **Best Sound Editing** ``` Sylvain Bellemare - Arrival ``` **Best Sound Mixing** ``` Kevin O'Connell, Andy Wright, Robert Mackenzie and Peter Grace - Hacksaw Ridge ``` **Best Makeup and Hairstyling** ``` Suicide Squad ``` **Best Short Film - Animated** ``` Piper ``` **Best Documentary - Short Subject** ``` The White Helmets ``` Best Short Film - Live Action ``` Sing ``` ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/152 "2017-02-27T09:27:57Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I feel bad for Beatty because already he is getting clowned on social media and sites like Drudge Report as an idiot. He was clearly handed the wrong card as evidenced by Dunaway reading out La La Land. If the card said Moonlight, she would have declared Moonlight the winner. Someone in the back screwed up big time, it’s simply not his fault! I don’t blame Beatty for the screwup, but it seems odd to me that he was unable to deduce that he had the wrong card. He clearly realized that there was something “off” about it (as evidenced by his long pause after opening the envelope), but decided to plow ahead and read it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/153 "2017-02-27T09:45:53Z")
> [@erysichthon](#): > > but decided to plow ahead and read it anyway. Wasn’t it Faye Dunaway that plowed ahead and read it? ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/154 "2017-02-27T09:55:32Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Wasn’t it Faye Dunaway that plowed ahead and read it? Correct; my bad. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/155 "2017-02-27T10:10:45Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Wasn’t it Faye Dunaway that plowed ahead and read it? Beatty presented her with the card. Maybe in his mind he was showing it to her in a, “Does this look off to you?” kind of way but if that was in his mind he certainly didn’t communicate it clearly. If I was in Dunaway’s place, I’d have thought his pause was a matter of “Oh, maybe I should let Faye read it” and that he was presenting the card to allow the honor of reading it. The card apparently said “La La Land” as well as Stone’s name. I can’t really blame Dunaway. If Beatty had indeed suspected something was off, it was on him to make a call rather than deferring to someone who may or may not notice the possible error that he himself was already suspicious of. That said… I don’t really blame Beatty either. He was put in a bad position. I’m just saying that the fact that Dunaway was the one to actually read it in no way makes her more responsible for the error than Beatty. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/156 "2017-02-27T10:13:47Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Beatty presented her with the card. Maybe in his mind he was showing it to her in a, “Does this look off to you?” kind of way but if that was in his mind he certainly didn’t communicate it clearly. > > If I was in Dunaway’s place, I’d have thought his pause was a matter of “Oh, maybe I should let Faye read it” and that he was presenting the card to allow the honor of reading it. The card apparently said “La La Land” as well as Stone’s name. I can’t really blame Dunaway. If Beatty had indeed suspected something was off, it was on him to make a call rather than deferring to someone who may or may not notice the possible error that he himself was already suspicious of. > > That said… I don’t really blame Beatty either. He was put in a bad position. > I’m just saying that the fact that Dunaway was the one to actually read it in no way makes her more responsible for the error than Beatty. I smell a conspiracy. What **thread** should we move this to? ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/157 "2017-02-27T10:22:57Z")
Look, I’m just saying you can’t decide “Hey! Let’s do a Bonnie and Clyde ending!” and expect a cheery conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/158 "2017-02-27T10:40:11Z")
What I don’t get is why the cards don’t say what the award is actually for? So instead of the card saying “Emma Stone - La la land”, it says “Best Actress - Emma Stone - Lala land”, or even just “Best Actress - Emma Stone”. I would have assumed that cards would be written in that format regardless of any mistake made, and it would have made it very clear to Beatty and Dunaway that they had been handed the wrong card, its strange to find out that they are written that way. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/159 "2017-02-27T11:21:47Z")
I wonder if this incident will finally put to rest that urban legend about Marisa Tomei winning the Oscar only because the presenter read the wrong name and everyone was too embarrassed to correct it. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905/160 "2017-02-27T11:37:40Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > What baffles me is how long it took to correct. There should be a person at the side who can correct such blunders in ten seconds tops especially after what happened with Miss Universe. It would still be embarrassing but not nearly as much as the chaos that unfolded here. According to a [1994 article in The Hollywood Reporter](http://blackbag.gawker.com/did-marisa-tomei-win-her-best-supporting-actress-oscar-1694866564) about the rumor that Marisa Tomei wasn’t the actual Best Actress winner in 1993: > [@](#): > > …at each and every Academy ceremony — including last night’s event, and the preceding year’s — two members of the accounting firm of Price-Waterhouse, the company that has tabulated the final Oscar ballots since 1935, are present in the wings during each Oscarcast. In the event a presenter should err in naming the correct winner in any category, said P-W official has been instructed to immediately go to the podium and announce that a mistake had been made. If this is true then somebody at Price-Waterhouse didn’t do the “immediately go to the podium” thing very well at all last night. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oscars-2017-thread/780905.md?page=9)