# Oslo dopers, check in please. Is everyone safe? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 22, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984 "2011-07-22T14:03:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/101 "2011-07-23T08:51:49Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > A picture taken from the guy’s Facebook page is over all over the news. A good-looking guy, blond, young, handsome, well dressed. He looks like a stock broker or a host on a TV show. It’s certainly nothing like what we imagined the face of death to look like. You think? If it’s the [picture](http://twitter.com/#%21/AndersBBreivik) I’ve seen, he couldn’t look \*more \*like a social misfit/serial killer type! (Yes, I know, judge a book by its cover and all that, but that’s a psycho’s haircut if ever I saw one.) Not much else I can add to what everyone has written above. It seems even more shocking because it’s Norway. I mean, _Norway_ - stuff like this isn’t supposed to happen there. ---
**Author:** ![malm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@malm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/102 "2011-07-23T09:27:06Z")
Gods. I went to sleep with 10 confirmed deaths at Utøya and wake up to 84. this is horrible. I… can´t express what I feel right now. this is just pure evil. thanks to all of you out there for your sympathy and support. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/103 "2011-07-23T09:39:46Z")
the twitter link is removed, but you can google image him ---
**Author:** ![Septima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Septima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Septima)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/104 "2011-07-23T09:41:56Z")
I just got woken up with “84 dead at Utøya”. I’m crying as I write this. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/105 "2011-07-23T09:42:23Z")
[Norwegian webnews article with the “official” picture](http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/23/nyheter/terror/drap/17421854/) ---
**Author:** ![Septima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Septima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Septima)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/106 "2011-07-23T10:00:02Z")
AUF just declared that they _will_ be going back to the same island next year and every year. The Prime Minister said (when international terrorism was still suspected): “We will fight back with _more_ democracy, by becoming an _even more_ open society. We will not be bombed to silence, we will not be shot to silence.” The poor man has been at that camp every year, first as a participant as a kid, then as a visiting politician. He must have known almost all the dead, certainly their families. The bomb downtown must have killed his colleagues and friends, too. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/107 "2011-07-23T10:04:16Z")
> [@Septima](#): > > “We will fight back with _more_ democracy, by becoming an _even more_ open society. We will not be bombed to silence, we will not be shot to silence.” What a laudable sentiment. Reports say Breivik set up a shell company to acquire fertilizer to make the bomb. What weaponry did this bastard have at the island? And how did he get hold of it? I’m not familiar with Norwegian arms law, though I do know someone from the far north who says rifles are ubiquitous because of the danger from polar bears. ---
**Author:** ![Septima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Septima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Septima)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/108 "2011-07-23T10:10:20Z")
The gun laws are quite strict, but he belonged to a pistol shooting club, and had two legal handguns. Only handguns have been mentioned so far. Is that even possible? To shoot 84 fleeing, panicked children with two handguns? He set up some sort of vegetable production operation to buy large quantities of fertilizer, to make the bomb. There is nothing mysterious about that bomb. Anyone could have made it. _I_ know how to make one just like it. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/109 "2011-07-23T10:18:17Z")
> [@Septima](#): > > Th gun laws are quite strict, but he belonged to a pistol shooting club, and had too legal handguns. Only handguns have been mentioned so far. Is that even possible? to shoot 84 fleeing, panicked children with two handguns? I’ve heard it speculated on another forum that many of the reported deaths may have been from people fleeing from the gunfire into the water and drowning or freezing. And that there are reports that he first gathered together a large crowd in his pose as a police officer. ---
**Author:** ![malm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@malm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/110 "2011-07-23T10:21:53Z")
there was weapons in a car assumed to be his, an automatic rifle specifically and newspapers has mentioned both a handgun and automatic pistol. so it is likely he has aquired several weapons illegally. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/111 "2011-07-23T10:32:50Z")
Is this the highest death toll for a single-shooter massacre ever? I can’t think of any with a more deadly outcome. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/112 "2011-07-23T11:08:29Z")
> [@Septima](#): > > The gun laws are quite strict, but he belonged to a pistol shooting club, and had two legal handguns. Only handguns have been mentioned so far. Is that even possible? To shoot 84 fleeing, panicked children with two handguns? 700 or so people trapped on a small island, the police had their hands full with the bombing so he had plenty of time, “fish in a barrel” comes to mind. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Panurge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/fbc32d/32.png) [@Panurge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Panurge)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/113 "2011-07-23T11:10:33Z")
Breaking: Police have arrested another man near Sundvollen (where the prime minister just arrived). More speculation about another gunman - several witnesses claim that there were two shooters. ---
**Author:** ![Septima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Septima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Septima)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/114 "2011-07-23T11:28:28Z")
[QUOTE=Mogle] 700 or so people trapped on a small island, the police had their hands full with the bombing so he had plenty of time, “fish in a barrel” comes to mind. [/QUOTE] And the water around Utøya is very cold and deep, and young children may not have remembered to kick off their shoes and shed their jackets, as we are taught to do. And even those who stayed on land may have been injured, and it was dark before the island was completely searched. Some may have bled to death, alone, in the dark. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/115 "2011-07-23T11:29:28Z")
> [@Panurge](#): > > Breaking: Police have arrested another man near Sundvollen (where the prime minister just arrived). More speculation about another gunman - several witnesses claim that there were two shooters. That’s a lot more worrying than a lone nutter. Reports that police disabled a ‘device’ at the island too. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/116 "2011-07-23T11:45:12Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I mean absolutely no disrespect by this - can you link to that story? I can’t find it anywhere on BBC News’ site. It was on television, WBRA Blue Ridge PBS which regularly carries certain BBC programming. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Real\_Regency\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@The\_Real\_Regency\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Real_Regency_Elf)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/117 "2011-07-23T11:46:20Z")
I was horrified to see the original projection of 25-30 dead on the island. 84 is just…man. The evil that humans can perpetuate will sadly never cease to surprise us. My heart and thoughts are with Norge. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/118 "2011-07-23T11:52:38Z")
> [@Panurge](#): > > Breaking: Police have arrested another man near Sundvollen (where the prime minister just arrived). More speculation about another gunman - several witnesses claim that there were two shooters. This person was arrested just before the prime minister arrived, right in front of the press. He was apparently carrying a knife. As he was hauled off, he told the press that he was one of the kids who was on the island yesterday, a member of the labour youth organization, and he was carrying a knife because he didn’t trust anyone and didn’t feel safe. I don’t think this is a second gunman. Seems to be one of the kids who has freaked out? If so, I can hardly blame him. Of course, the police, not taking any chances, cuffed him and drove him off straight away. Can’t blame them either. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/119 "2011-07-23T11:56:26Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Is this the highest death toll for a single-shooter massacre ever? I can’t think of any with a more deadly outcome. ☹ According to Wikipedia, the [Uiryeong massacre](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-kon) was the worst until yesterday. So yeah, I think what happened in Norway is the worst now. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984/120 "2011-07-23T12:15:28Z")
> [@Septima](#): > > And the water around Utøya is very cold and deep, and young children may not have remembered to kick off their shoes and shed their jackets, as we are taught to do. And even those who stayed on land may have been injured, and it was dark before the island was completely searched. **Some may have bled to death, alone, in the dark.** :(:(☹ Man…how horrible. Thoughts and best wishes to all Norwegians. Damn! ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oslo-dopers-check-in-please-is-everyone-safe/589984.md?page=7)