# Ottawa Dopers, how are you doing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 5, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960 "2022-02-05T14:33:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/81 "2022-02-11T01:24:53Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I have no idea how your reply matches to what you quoted from my post. Sorry. It looks like I misunderstood the relationship between someone like me, or people I support, “allowing fascism to rise in your country” and the Ottawa situation. As a free speech supporter, I am perhaps literally guilty of allowing fascism to arise, but I don’t think American freedom of speech and association has anything to do with how Ottawa is policed. It’s a shame that some Americans are sending money to your alleged criminals. I don’t see a perfect way to stop that (although funding criminals in foreign democracies should be illegal). Maybe my uncertainty concerning regulation of GoFundMe has some family similarity with the lack of a perfect way to police Ottawa. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/82 "2022-02-11T02:01:43Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > What I heard this morning is that it can be extremely difficult to tow a big rig _without_ the cooperation of the owner/driver. disconnect the tractor and tow it. Add pressure to the trailer to unlock the wheels and drive it away. if the wheels are damaged then they’re jacked up on a dolly for towing just like a car. This isn’t a logistics problem, It’s a PM hiding in the basement problem. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/83 "2022-02-11T02:16:11Z")
But he can’t act until called on by the Premier, other wise it’s overstepping, I believe. He keeps repeating he’s waiting to hear from Dougie. I mean he can probably act, but not until he’s at least given the Premier ample opportunity to do something. Dougie’s between a rock and a hard place. If he doesn’t act, he’ll lose tons of votes from the cities being occupied. If he calls out the conservative bros, his national aspirations will likely dissolve. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/84 "2022-02-11T02:20:08Z")
I’m frankly amazed the locals would put up with it. An hour of honking in my neighborhood would elicit an angry crowd of people carrying Charlie Brown sacks of candy. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/85 "2022-02-11T02:29:02Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Every Canadian should be afraid. Indeed. I didn’t know where to put the following, but given your comment, this thread is as good as any: > Fillmore is a Liberal Member of Parliament from Nova Scotia. I agree, **elbows** ; at this point, every Canadian should be afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/86 "2022-02-11T02:34:12Z")
This is, of course, incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/87 "2022-02-11T03:02:04Z")
[Here’s a video of a tow truck hooking up to a trailer.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBVYLYLxDK4) ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/88 "2022-02-11T11:17:59Z")
They brought their kids to use as human shields so no one can move against them. They were bragging about it on the news last night. Ugh! ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/89 "2022-02-11T12:34:23Z")
This just shows how ignorant you are of the issue. The organizers of the Fascist Convoy are alt-right white nationalists. You know, Nazis. Are all of the people on the convoy Nazis? No, of course not. They’ve been suckered. They’re being used. Or at least, they were. At this point, they should know with whom they are standing. And when you stand with fascists that makes you either a fascist or a collaborator. Kind of like Republican voters at this point. You know what they stand for. They are sprinting towards fascism. So if somebody supports the Republicans, they might not be fascists inherently, but they’re willing to collaborate, and that makes them just as bad. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/90 "2022-02-11T12:35:54Z")
I appreciate the explanation. That makes more sense now. The whole thing about tanks and such was confusing. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/91 "2022-02-11T15:56:38Z")
You what the difference is between us. I love my country, whereas you love the Republican party. I love that my country is a democracy with a robust history of being free and a desire by most Canadians to remain a free, liberal democracy. You seemingly don’t care what the Republicans do to America so long as it makes the libtards cry. You seem to be ok with them sacrificing democracy on the altar of winning political power. I am not ok with that being the case in Canada. I love my country so much that I stood up to fight for my country. Maybe it is naive but I like to think that the Canadian Forces helps to preserve freedom in Canada and promote it on the international stage. I care that a bunch of white nationalists are so empowered that they are occupying my nation’s capital. This is not a small issue for me. This is a big deal because if we let this vile ideology take hold then I fear for the future of democracy in Canada. So yes, when somebody is a Nazi, I’m going to call them out for what they are because I’ll be damned if I allow what has happened in the USA to happen to the country I love. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/92 "2022-02-11T16:47:43Z")
Well, this isn’t about any perceived differences between us. Though to be clear how anyone can support the sanctimonious and utterly shameless hypocrisy of the modern left always leaves me a little baffled. From the BBC, [India responds to Trudeau's 'ill-informed' remarks - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55152462), here is Trudeau’s own words in response to a massively disruptive protest in India: “Canada will always be there to defend the right of peaceful protest” From the NY Times we have the following article, sorry it’s pay-walled but there are ways to read it regardless. [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/opinion/ottawa-trucker-protests.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/opinion/ottawa-trucker-protests.html) To summarize, they non-hypocritically support the right of the truckers to protest in a manner that is disruptive. Personally, I don’t support shutting down public infrastructure and unlike the left my view on that subject doesn’t depend on it being my pet cause of the month. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/93 "2022-02-11T17:06:33Z")
IMHO, one of the problems is the hair-trigger for a charge of hypocrisy. For the value to be equally applied to two situations, the situations (and the relevant back stories) must be substantively equivalent, equal, or similar. So … if Bill Clinton involved the US in the Kosovo War, that really isn’t the same thing, materially, as **[Operation Eagle Claw](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw),** the Battle of Mogadishu, or Bush 43’s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. So … “it’s okay when my side does it, but execrable when your side does” isn’t really a fair knock when the circumstances are materially dissimilar. Even to the degree one could quantify economic disruption, property destruction, violence, etc., as relatively comparable between Trucker Car-less-sons and – say – Occupy Wall Street or any of the BLM protests – they simply aren’t the same. The context and the nuance always matter. And they’re commonly lost on far too many people. ---
**Author:** ![filmstar-en](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/50afbb/32.png) [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/94 "2022-02-11T17:21:58Z")
So now there is a state of emergency declared in Ontario. There is a threat of big fines and the loss of personal and commercial truck driving licenses. Protestors could lose their livelihood. What next? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/95 "2022-02-11T17:37:18Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#): > > Protestors could lose their livelihood. What next? Then the martyrs will have even more persecution to protest. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/96 "2022-02-11T18:06:52Z")
See, that’s the beauty of subjective morality and principles. Any set of contradictory stances can be justified. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/97 "2022-02-11T18:08:50Z")
And that’s the beauty of absolutist positions. /s ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/98 "2022-02-11T18:10:43Z")
Right, there are some who are unable to differentiate between a jaywalker and a mass murderer. They both broke the law, so why should they be treated any differently? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/99 "2022-02-11T18:25:29Z")
Your stance and the stance of practically every other person in this thread is it’s ok to do what one wishes as long as it coincides with _your_ particular world view. Trudeau was in support of the exact same action when it didn’t impact his country and his politics. When it was someone else’s problem your Prime Minstrel was just fine with opining on another country’s issues. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Right, there are some who are unable to differentiate between a jaywalker and a mass murderer. > > They both broke the law, so why should they be treated any differently? What an awful attempt at an analogy. The proper analogy would be a comparison between two groups doing a similar action, such as a blockade, while being supported on one hand and critiqued on the other. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960/100 "2022-02-11T18:28:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Your stance and the stance of practically every other person in this thread is it’s ok to do what one wishes as long as it coincides with _your_ particular world view. Well, no. It isn’t. But that does lend estimable support to what I said about nuance and context above. ETA: I’m against killing, but I distinguish between a true self-defense situation and killing a person to take their vehicle from them. They simply aren’t the same thing, except in the narrowest and most absolutist sense. Ditto: stealing a sandwich because you’re destitute and starving vs. stealing expensive sneakers because they’re ‘cool.’ [I’ll wend my way back to the topic of the thread. Apologies] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ottawa-dopers-how-are-you-doing/958960.md?page=6)