# Ouija Boards - I used to think it was bull until...... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528 "2009-02-19T09:46:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/441 "2009-02-24T19:49:29Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Why are you so against Love for children? Children are fucking apes. They should be whipped and scalded into obedience. Obviously. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/442 "2009-02-24T19:49:43Z")
> [@NineToTheSky](#): > > **kanicbird** , do you realise that to the vast majority of people this is an unusual and not commonly accepted viewpoint? Do you ever wonder if, perhaps, the majority might not be correct? Do you know many people who share your views? Many people believe they have some say as to what type of life they would lead, what lessons they are to learn, etc. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/443 "2009-02-24T19:52:06Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Why not? They would have to have a claim on you. You would have to submit to them in some matter, though the details may not be obvious to you, as Eve found out. Along these lines, there are very few truly free things in the world, there are strings attached to most. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/444 "2009-02-24T19:52:28Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird;10869027Where is it written that the majority is correct? Actually my take on scriptures is that it will be the opposite. Also my take of life is the ones who step out that makes a difference in the world, not just follows along blindly.[/QUOTE] It’s the _vast_ majority, and if the vast majority is diverse and yet none can provide any factual corroboration of your claims, so that’s a strong indication that you’re probably wrong. You can’t just “step out” in any old direction, you have to step out in the direction of the truth. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/445 "2009-02-24T19:57:03Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > So a call from the exact person in the revelation at the time of the revelation that I haven’t had any contact with in years would be confirmation basis? That is only tangentially related to it? > > Also in a time of great distress I prayed for the Lord to preserve my life, asking Jesus to pray for me, a week later I was talking to a believer friend who said that at that exact time he felt a urgent need to pray for me (as Jesus lives in us believers), though he had no idea why. That is confirmation bias? Quite frankly, yes. Or rather, it’s what is typically called “coincidence” by mere mortals - and your decision to assign OMG THAT IS SO SIGNIFICANT importance to the cases where events appear, on first examination, to line up: _that_ is confirmation bias. And parents have a claim on their grandchildren to the fourth generation? If so, why wouldn’t my 18th cousin seven times removed have a claim on me? Everyone’s related, you know - by both creationist _and_ real-world theories. And **sqweels** , Argumentum ad Populum is actually a fallacy, and probably not a good place to be arguing from. Though the fact that _nobody_ shares **kanicbird** ’s worldview (and how could they - it evolves every time she gets a new creative theory) _is_ rather telling. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/446 "2009-02-24T20:02:21Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Now THAT’s just mean! > > And I’m John Todd! > (How many Dopers are gonna get this?) I’ll see your John Todd and raise you a Mike Warnke. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/447 "2009-02-24T20:04:43Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It was discussion of people who work with autistic children, not the parents. I hope they don’t take your advice either. > [@](#): > > Why are you so against Love for children? That’s the most ridiculous question I’ve ever been asked. I’m not using hyperbole, either. Why am I against Love for children? Well, for starters, I’m not against loving children and you’re using a cheap strawman instead of making an actual argument. I think most people would be ashamed to use an argument like that. Aside from that, I don’t believe love - or “Love,” which I guess is intended to mean agape or some kind of cosmic gobbledygook you have never defined - is a cure for autism _because there’s no evidence it is_. There’s no evidence for any of what you say, of course, because most of it is a ridiculous fiction with no more credibility than Mother Goose or the story of Jack and the Beanstalk, although those stories at least made sense as narratives. That’s not the case for your tales about the unborn making deals with demons. But the real issue here is that you’re presuming to tell autism caregivers what they should do. You thought to suggest “Try hugging the kid,” as if that was a brilliant idea they never could have come up with on their own, a veritable revolution in childcare. And you suggest they try loving the children they work with - which they obviously do already or they would not be in that line of work. Unless of course press-shift-key Love means something different, of course. In which case I’m sure it was a great idea and they were grateful for it. Lastly - I think this is lastly - you’re suggesting God impelled you to give that advice. Because of course, _you’d_ never be so vain as to tell them what to do, but the Holy Spirit Jesus _needed_ you to tell the people who work with autistic kids, “hey, genius, try hugging the kids!” You’re the voice of God himself in this discourse, which does a good job of covering up the fact that you haven’t demonstrated any actual knowledge of autism. In fact your knowledge of autism is comparable to the knowledge of medieval barbers or of the ancients who tried to cure headaches by drilling holes in the patient’s skull. Hug children and love them! Shit, who’d have ever thought of it without the Lord’s intervention via **kanicbird**? It’s like a cross between Jesus and Benjamin Spock convened to make that suggestion! All the mothers and fathers of autistic kids are WAY too stupid to ever try realize their kids are autistic because they don’t love them enough! Thank God you’re here to blame the victim, Dr. Kanicbird! ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/448 "2009-02-24T20:15:21Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I hope they don’t take your advice either. > > That’s the most ridiculous question I’ve ever been asked. I’m not using hyperbole, either. > > Why am I against Love for children? Well, for starters, I’m not against loving children and you’re using a cheap strawman instead of making an actual argument. I think most people would be ashamed to use an argument like that. Aside from that, I don’t believe love - or “Love,” which I guess is intended to mean agape or some kind of cosmic gobbledygook you have never defined - is a cure for autism _because there’s no evidence it is_. There’s no evidence for any of what you say, of course, because most of it is a ridiculous fiction with no more credibility than Mother Goose or the story of Jack and the Beanstalk, although those stories at least made sense as narratives. That’s not the case for your tales about the unborn making deals with demons. > > But the real issue here is that you’re presuming to tell autism caregivers what they should do. You thought to suggest “Try hugging the kid,” as if that was a brilliant idea they never could have come up with on their own, a veritable revolution in childcare. And you suggest they try loving the children they work with - which they obviously do already or they would not be in that line of work. > Unless of course press-shift-key Love means something different, of course. In which case I’m sure it was a great idea and they were grateful for it. > > Lastly - I think this is lastly - you’re suggesting God impelled you to give that advice. Because of course, _you’d_ never be so vain as to tell them what to do, but the Holy Spirit Jesus _needed_ you to tell the people who work with autistic kids, “hey, genius, try hugging the kids!” You’re the voice of God himself in this discourse, which does a good job of covering up the fact that you haven’t demonstrated any actual knowledge of autism. In fact your knowledge of autism is comparable to the knowledge of medieval barbers or of the ancients who tried to cure headaches by drilling holes in the patient’s skull. > > Hug children and love them! Shit, who’d have ever thought of it without the Lord’s intervention via **kanicbird**? It’s like a cross between Jesus and Benjamin Spock convened to make that suggestion! All the mothers and fathers of autistic kids are WAY too stupid to ever try realize their kids are autistic because they don’t love them enough! Thank God you’re here to blame the victim, Dr. Kanicbird! Then why are professionals instructed/trained not to get emotionally attached, this is the same for any therapy ? The world is training people to withhold the very thing that they need to get better. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/449 "2009-02-24T20:24:46Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Quite frankly, yes. Or rather, it’s what is typically called “coincidence” by mere mortals - and your decision to assign OMG THAT IS SO SIGNIFICANT importance to the cases where events appear, on first examination, to line up: _that_ is confirmation bias. Whatever you want to call it I will praise the Lord for it. > [@](#): > > And parents have a claim on their grandchildren to the fourth generation? If so, why wouldn’t my 18th cousin seven times removed have a claim on me? Everyone’s related, you know - by both creationist _and_ real-world theories. It’s the sins of person or the fathers to the 4 generation ONLY. The mother can do it herself as her person, the child can - these are the only females capable of making such a deal for that child, if the child is male the only female would be the mother. All the rest would be males. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/450 "2009-02-24T20:32:10Z")
> [@](#): > > And you suggest they try loving the children they work with - which they obviously do already or they would not be in that line of work. > Unless of course press-shift-key Love means something different, of course. In which case I’m sure it was a great idea and they were grateful for it. I do differentiate between love and Love, as I experienced both, the first one I knew as long as I remembered, AFAIK it came as standard equipment, as in we all get it. But Love is in Love from God. It has to be experienced to be ‘learned’, IMHO very few people have experienced this (my guess 5-10%, perhaps less), I didn’t till way into my adult life. It is a increadable feeling of a intense warm heart radiating out warmth. It is not related to sexuality or those feeling. These people that I’m talking about have that degree of Love, they are wonderful people to be around, but they have to be untrained what their head has been taught by the world to not be emotionally attached and go with there heart to let the Love flow through them to the children. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/451 "2009-02-24T20:35:39Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Then why are professionals instructed/trained not to get emotionally attached, this is the same for any therapy ? Cite please. > [@](#): > > The world is training people to withhold the very thing that they need to get better. This is pure bullshit. As I said, I hope these people disregarded your comments immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/452 "2009-02-24T20:38:59Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It has to be experienced to be ‘learned’, IMHO very few people have experienced this (my guess 5-10%, perhaps less), I didn’t till way into my adult life. It is a increadable feeling of a intense warm heart radiating out warmth. It is not related to sexuality or those feeling. I’m glad you enjoy these illusions. I’ve had some very enjoyable ones myself, but I don’t prescribe them as medical cures. > [@](#): > > These people that I’m talking about have that degree of Love, they are wonderful people to be around, but they have to be untrained what their head has been taught by the world to not be emotionally attached and go with there heart to let the Love flow through them to the children. God doesn’t raise children, people do. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/453 "2009-02-24T21:12:56Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Scripture speaks of dishonest weights and measures (which He hates btw), so don’t expect responsible market trading when you have a 6000 year old demon trading with a few day old pre-birth human. > > A complete stranger would have no ability to trade you. Doesn’t this have something to do with NAFTA? And as for that dishonest weights and measures, I been telling people for YEARS that metric is NOT the way to go! PS - **Cuckoorex** , how much you willing to pay for a Monkey Wench? I am in need of steady employment after all… ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/454 "2009-02-24T21:18:27Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > PS - **Cuckoorex** , how much you willing to pay for a Monkey Wench? I am in need of steady employment after all… Ten bananas per day, to start, with opportunity for advancement. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/455 "2009-02-24T21:32:21Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Whatever you want to call it I will praise the Lord for it. I want to call it “convincing yourself that a fantasy is true, when it is actually completely divorced from reality and completely untrue”. But I’m sure it’s quite fun and you may praise Cthulhu for it if you like. Just don’t purport to give medical advice. Surprisingly, love (or “Love”) has a positively terrible success rate at curing anything, from broken bones to tetanus to food poisoning to autism to cancer to death. > [@kanicbird](#): > > It’s the sins of person or the fathers to the 4 generation ONLY. The mother can do it herself as her person, the child can - these are the only females capable of making such a deal for that child, if the child is male the only female would be the mother. All the rest would be males. Well, that’s stupidly arbitrary. If I was a demon I would never respect such limitations. (And any god who respects the deceptive and unfairly weighed deals of demons done with complete innocents who do not know better is similarly arbitrary…but not in a good way.) ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/456 "2009-02-24T22:29:01Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God held Adam and Eve accountable for their sin, and you can’t blame that one on society. If a demon comes to you in the womb and makes a deal with you, can that be blamed on society?, perhaps since there are sins of the father which would effect you. I understand you speak from personal belief, but dude, this is getting increasingly hard to swallow. How do we have the capacity to understand anything when we’re fetuses (feti?), much less before we’re born? If we’re destined to be sinners because of Adam & Eve’s bad deeds, why do demons even bother? You do understand when I said “it’s society’s fault,” it was in jest and referred to modern day society, don’t you? > [@](#): > > The way it may happen is exactly how it happened w/ Adam and Eve, we are tempted before we know society, we are offered something that sounds appealing to us, and we all fall for it. The demons then have the right to cause those things to happen to us, and they will cause them their way, hate, anger, lust and as much of a lack of Love as they can manage. So demons tempt us constantly. Is any person EVER accountable for their own actions? There’s over 6 billion of us, so there must be at least that number of demons. Where did they all come from? Sounds like the Big Guy is hopelessly outnumbered. > [@](#): > > Demons can see into the future, up to divine intervention, as there is no time in the spiritual as we know it, our whole life is visible to them, they know exactly where we will go, and where they must push us and how hard to accomplish what they want (like pushing a long clay string). Once God step into one’s live and changes it, it throws the demons off, if someone accepts Jesus, those demons no longer have a right to manipulate this person’s life (since Jesus has ransomed this person back) and they must depart, and God gets to mold our lives. So do demons automatically stop tempting us when G & J move in? Seems like once those two leave (only two of them for 6 billion of us), the demons are back in business. When you say time doesn’t exist in the spirit plane, do you mean spirits are static and unchanging? If time doesn’t exist, they couldn’t exist. If they’re unchanging, then they can’t influence us, because that involves change. I guess it’s better to leave out logic. > [@](#): > > As for the places underground, my take on it, related to other scriptures is it may be Sheol - the abode of the dead, which is not Hell btw. I believe we are created complete underground and have full consciousness and a body is being made for us in the womb. We slowly integrate in our body, but are still very much in the spiritual existence, at which time certain deals are made with demons. This is a common mysticism belief where one chooses what type of life they want to lead, uncommon in main stream Christianity however. If I got to choose what I wanted to do with my life before I existed, I’d have wished for something a helluva lot better than I got now! What you’re talking about sounds a lot like reincarnation. That in the Bible? > [@](#): > > When we are born and our sense come on line and the spirit (breath) enters us we lose much of the ability to sense the spiritual world and become grounded in the physical, which we have to learn to use that body. For dust you are and dust you will return, we will lose that physical body and fall back to underground. This place (Sheol) seems to be IMHO where Jonah spent 3 days, inside the body (of a fish in this case, not a womb) = decent underground “to the roots of the mountains I sunk down, the earth beneath barred me in forever”, which would relate to the hidden places underground in the psalm. I think ol’ Jonah was being metaphorical there. He couldn’t see anything outside the insides of a giant fish gullet, much less the roots of mountains. No wonder he felt so claustrophobic. > [@](#): > > I would say that the soul tie could be used to tempt that person to eat, what types of food to eat, influence that person to go to places where they have tempting foods, etc. More importantly some people use food to relieve spiritual pain (modern term comfort food), by creating a soul tie with such a person you will feel some of their pain and use their method of relief - eating. Again, it sounds like it’d be a lot easier to prey on the weakness of the dieter directly, rather than using some fatty as a voodoo doll. After all, we do have the recurring image of the imp sitting on our shoulders, telling us “Go ahead, take that extra doughnut. One little bite won’t hurt.” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/457 "2009-02-24T23:28:07Z")
This is **so** much more scintillating than ouija boards. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/458 "2009-02-24T23:35:50Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I understand you speak from personal belief, but dude, this is getting increasingly hard to swallow. How do we have the capacity to understand anything when we’re fetuses (feti?), much less before we’re born? If we’re destined to be sinners because of Adam & Eve’s bad deeds, why do demons even bother? Demons get relief from their torment by inflicting as much pain on us as possible, and they exalt themselves in the process. They make us suffer, try to make us think we like it, and try to have us thank them. From what I gather, they were angels with great power suppose to do much of our work, they changed that around, where we do their work. As for our capacity, my understanding is God tells us at creation don’t deal with them, we disobey because we want a shiny new car. No it doesn’t sound fair to me either. > [@](#): > > So demons tempt us constantly. Is any person EVER accountable for their own actions? There’s over 6 billion of us, so there must be at least that number of demons. Where did they all come from? Sounds like the Big Guy is hopelessly outnumbered. According to scriptures 1/3 of the angels fell, so 2/3 are still holy. Plus the power of God is far above theirs > [@](#): > > So do demons automatically stop tempting us when G & J move in? Seems like once those two leave (only two of them for 6 billion of us), the demons are back in business. God is omnipresent, there is no once they leave. I can pray to Jesus with Him standing right infront of me while my friend does the same where he is. At this point demons can tempt us, and we can get sidetracted for a while but God is in control of our lives at this point. > [@](#): > > When you say time doesn’t exist in the spirit plane, do you mean spirits are static and unchanging? If time doesn’t exist, they couldn’t exist. If they’re unchanging, then they can’t influence us, because that involves change. I guess it’s better to leave out logic. Logic in our universe doesn’t apply for another one. The best way I can describe it is they can see out entire life at every moment in theirs. A little back there was a description of a LSD ‘trip’ to IMHO the spiritual world (Also IMHO there is a reason it’s called a ‘trip’), their description sounded like their entire life they saw. While they would have seen it all simultaneously, our physical minds can’t handle that, so would set it in order. > [@](#): > > If I got to choose what I wanted to do with my life before I existed, I’d have wished for something a helluva lot better than I got now! What you’re talking about sounds a lot like reincarnation. That in the Bible? How about something along the lines of Bill Gates then? Not mentioning the part that you will be secretly in intense pain and a heroine addict. As for reincarnation, we have one life, and God has limited it to 120 years, but can that one life have multiple bodies? There is Elijah who came back as John the Baptist. I do find it interesting that: 1 - God desires all His children to be saved 2 - He is in total control with full knowledge, power, presents 3 - His Spirit (our existing in the world as alive) will only contend with us for 120 years 4 - He designed and knew the outcome before He created it 5 - Again Elijah came back as John t B 6 - John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit on him before birth (all scripturally supportable) How can God let one of His children die in a state to go to Hell when they still have some of that time 120 years remaining? > [@](#): > > I think ol’ Jonah was being metaphorical there. He couldn’t see anything outside the insides of a giant fish gullet, much less the roots of mountains. No wonder he felt so claustrophobic. How can anyone live in a fish for 3 days? There is a form of ‘living’ in death. > [@](#): > > Again, it sounds like it’d be a lot easier to prey on the weakness of the dieter directly, rather than using some fatty as a voodoo doll. After all, we do have the recurring image of the imp sitting on our shoulders, telling us “Go ahead, take that extra doughnut. One little bite won’t hurt.” Well once you start using voodoo powers it’s sort of a power trip, so you ‘need’ these victims to progress. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/459 "2009-02-24T23:38:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Well once you start using voodoo powers it’s sort of a power trip, so you ‘need’ these victims to progress. Like Amway? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/460 "2009-02-24T23:41:59Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > There is Elijah who came back as John the Baptist. Say what now? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528.md?page=24)