# Ouija Boards - I used to think it was bull until...... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528 "2009-02-19T09:46:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/461 "2009-02-25T00:10:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > As for reincarnation, we have one life, and God has limited it to 120 years, but can that one life have multiple bodies? There is Elijah who came back as John the Baptist. > > I do find it interesting that: > 1 - God desires all His children to be saved > 2 - He is in total control with full knowledge, power, presents > 3 - His Spirit (our existing in the world as alive) will only contend with us for 120 years > 4 - He designed and knew the outcome before He created it > 5 - Again Elijah came back as John t B > 6 - John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit on him before birth > (all scripturally supportable) > How can God let one of His children die in a state to go to Hell when they still have some of that time 120 years remaining? Where does the 120 years come from? I thought our “limit,” so to speak, was threescore and ten (70). Psalm 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/462 "2009-02-25T00:48:30Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > As for reincarnation, we have one life, and God has limited it to 120 years… Any explanation for how Jeanne Calment defied God by making it to 122 years old? ([Jeanne Calment - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment)) ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/463 "2009-02-25T00:56:31Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This is **so** much more scintillating than ouija boards. Well, we’ve determined that the boards are powered by either the ideometer effect, cheating participants, or spoooOOOoooOOOoooky supernatural entities. As information on the ideomotor effect is pretty straightforwardly available through other sources, and as cheating participants require no further explanation, we are now plumbing the depths of the ‘supernatural entities’ explanation, by interrogating the resident supernaturalists in the hopes of finding a consistent, or at least _internally consistent from one poster_, description/explanation of these supposed entities. And in the hopes of expressing our own opinions of such things, and in the hopes of recreational argumentation. Progress is being made on at least one of those goals, I think… > [@42fish](#): > > Any explanation for how Jeanne Calment defied God by making it to 122 years old? > > ([Jeanne Calment - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment)) Maybe she’s satan? (Well, was.) ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/464 "2009-02-25T01:28:31Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > I’ll see your John Todd and raise you a Mike Warnke. OK then, Alberto Rivera AND William Schnoebelin. Oh yeah, and I’m gonna go retro and add Leo Taxil, Diane Vaughan, AND Maria Monk! ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/465 "2009-02-25T01:36:40Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > Where does the 120 years come from? I thought our “limit,” so to speak, was threescore and ten (70). > > Psalm 90:10 > The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. From: [QUOTE=Genesis 6:3] Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.” [/QUOTE] The verse you brought up is interesting in that is ends ‘and we fly away’ which there is a 70 year harvest cycle in the earth, and Jesus takes us away in the air to meet Him. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/466 "2009-02-25T01:43:25Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Say what now? Elijah coming back fortold: [QUOTE=Malachi 4:5] "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. [/QUOTE] Here Jesus reveals that John the Baptist is Elijah . > [@](#): > > Matt 11:13For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/467 "2009-02-25T02:00:31Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Any explanation for how Jeanne Calment defied God by making it to 122 years old? > > ([Jeanne Calment - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment)) There are many ways to explain this one, one of the easiest,one to scripturally support is that man and women are different, and God means exactly what He says: Adam (man) only gets the death sentence from God, woman does not: [QUOTE= Gen 3:] 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; \*\* for dust you are and to dust you will return.\*\*" [/QUOTE] Eve gets no such curse. And she is called mother of the living (Gen 3:20) The reason IMHO is: [QUOTE=1 Timothy 2:14] And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. [/QUOTE] The sins of Adam and Eve are very different, Eve was deceived following Satan’s path, Adam knowingly disobeyed created his own path. Big difference. Eve’s curses are set in place to help guide her. Adam must die for his sin (which I take as enter Sheol), as only Adam has become his own God (creating his own reality, outside the way God established or Satan, he made his own way to be with Eve) Woman’s conditions of salvation is: [QUOTE=1 Timothy 2:15] But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. [/QUOTE] Men are charged to overcome (see Rev 2,3) for their heavenly reward. Men only are given the knowledge of good and evil : [QUOTE=3:22] And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” [/QUOTE] This is the basis of all the gender differences in scripture. In short men must die for Christ, women must give life for Christ. If this means when women die they are taken directly to Jesus I’m not sure, but the 120 year limit is placed on man, not woman, and you may think it is a nitpick, but as shown above God means exactly what he says in regards to gender issues. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/468 "2009-02-25T02:38:17Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > OK then, Alberto Rivera AND William Schnoebelin. > > Oh yeah, and I’m gonna go retro and add Leo Taxil, Diane Vaughan, AND Maria Monk! Don’t MAKE me break out Marjoe Gortner and Michelle Smith, now… ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/469 "2009-02-25T02:44:30Z")
Has anyone else here ever intentionally manipulated a ouija board session? I have, and it’s absurdly easy. The slightest little bit of pressure will overturn the random motions from the other participants, and once you’ve started a word, you can take your hands off entirely and the other people there will continue to spell out that word that you’ve suggested by pushing it towards the first couple letters. One evening of doing that ruins any faith in the process, believe me. People’s minds really are pretty predictable once you’ve laid the suggestions out. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/470 "2009-02-25T03:22:54Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This is **so** much more scintillating than ouija boards. More confusing, though. I notice you forgot to respond to my last post or two, **kanicbird**. Any thoughts? Show me a sign! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/471 "2009-02-25T04:13:16Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Then why are professionals instructed/trained not to get emotionally attached, this is the same for any therapy ? > > The world is training people to withhold the very thing that they need to get better. Well, actually, what tends to happen in these cases is the professional gets emotionally involved, the autistic child or whatever never gets any better, the invested professional suffers depression and burnout and a promising career that might have lasted decades and helped hundreds (even a little) gets cut short, possibly ending for the professional in suicide. This “don’t get emotionally involved” thing isn’t callous - it’s a method for keeping the professionals able to come in every day to do their jobs. By the way, what happens when a man is eventually reliably reported to have lived longer than 120 years? With medical advances, I can’t imagine this is far off. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/472 "2009-02-25T04:17:21Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Maybe she’s satan? (Well, was.) No, I’M Satan!!! **applecider** -wouldn’t it be more correct to ask, “who HASN’T manipulated a Ouija board session?” Heh-I think we mostly used them at slumber parties (and the time I mentioned awhile back, when my cousin flipped out the lights. Good times) **Kanicbird** , so if a woman cannot have children-does that mean she has been cursed by God? (Or, if she CHOOSES not to, will she be condemned to Hell?) ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/473 "2009-02-25T04:44:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > No, I’M Satan!!! She just confessed to being **Satan** ’s sock! I call for the ban! ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/474 "2009-02-25T04:50:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Heh-I think we mostly used them at slumber parties (and the time I mentioned awhile back, when my cousin flipped out the lights. Good times) I think we need to know more about these slumber parties- the pillow fights, the tickle fights, when you compared breasts or practiced kissing- spare no detail. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/475 "2009-02-25T04:53:08Z")
You’d be sadly, sadly disappointed. The closest I can remember is the time my friends and I managed to find that _Wild Orchid_ was playing on Cinemax and naturally, we had to watch it. (I think we were around 12 at the time) ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/476 "2009-02-25T05:07:53Z")
Must all my childhood dreams get stomped on? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/477 "2009-02-25T05:11:16Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I think we need to know more about these slumber parties- the pillow fights, the tickle fights, when you compared breasts or practiced kissing- spare no detail. This is neither the time nor the place for this hijack. Give me two minutes to grab a beer, and take it to MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/478 "2009-02-25T08:25:36Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Children are fucking apes. They should be whipped and scalded into obedience. Obviously. I agree. Do apes \*like \*being fucked by children? Won’t \*someone \*think of the apes? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/479 "2009-02-25T12:37:40Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > Has anyone else here ever intentionally manipulated a ouija board session?.. > > I have, and it’s absurdly easy. The slightest little bit of pressure will overturn the random motions from the other participants, and once you’ve started a word, you can take your hands off entirely and the other people there will continue to spell out that word that you’ve suggested by pushing it towards the first couple letters. One evening of doing that ruins any faith in the process, believe me. People’s minds really are pretty predictable once you’ve laid the suggestions out. You just described deception and manipulation, which is you are placing the deceived and manipulated, to whatever degree they accept it, under your power. It is a form of control you are exercising against them. Who convinced you to deceive and/or manipulate would have it’s roots in the demonic, and what does the demon care if he does it directly or use a person to manipulate another. Their goal is to drive people away from Jesus, what you state they did their job very well, you have learned that there is nothing spiritual, and your friend has learned that they can get answers from that board. As you say people’s minds are pretty predictable once you’ve laid the suggestion out, the demons know that also. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/480 "2009-02-25T12:51:26Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **Kanicbird** , so if a woman cannot have children-does that mean she has been cursed by God? (Or, if she CHOOSES not to, will she be condemned to Hell?) I don’t know for all cases but in general it would seem to be a curse. Looking at scripture women who are barren are longing for children. Our society has turned that on it’s head so to speak, teaching women that children are unfair burdens, IMHO they learn to lie to themselves. Women have traded happiness for the pursuit of happiness. There head overrides their heart. The ‘ticking biological clock’ would seem to be a modern day way of confirmation of my statement. Her not choosing to have children is her head overriding her heart, she will bear that pain but convince herself it’s not there. Some might have sad moments when they think of having their own children, feelings of emptiness, then convince themselves otherwise. The very first commandment God gave us is relates to children, right after He created us: [QUOTE=27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” [/QUOTE] Our hearts are meant to rejoice in them, w have been taught otherwise and as such learn to hide our hearts. I don’t know if woman can go to hell at all. The choice of not having children would effect her here AFAIK. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528.md?page=25)