# Ouija Boards - I used to think it was bull until...... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528 "2009-02-19T09:46:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![MrK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MrK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrK)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/521 "2009-02-26T04:01:37Z")
**kanicbird** , do you belong to an organized church or other such organization? Have you discussed your beliefs with your minister? ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/522 "2009-02-26T05:32:46Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The Hebrew word for wind is the same as breath and spirit, they are interchangeable. Not related to the spirit world, but related to the living component we need to be alive in the world Beg pardon? Do you even speak Hebrew? Because unless you’ve come up with some slang from an American neighborhood in NYC, you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/523 "2009-02-26T05:39:02Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > Beg pardon? Do you even speak Hebrew? Because unless you’ve come up with some slang from an American neighborhood in NYC, you’re wrong. I’m always up for a Hebrew lesson (what with the being Jewish and all) just what are the Hebrew words for ‘breath’ and ‘spirit’? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/524 "2009-02-26T05:50:17Z")
Huh. I was right that the word for soul is also the word for spirit (I learned the word for soul from watching Trembling Before G-d)- n’shema (almost certainly a misspelling on my part it’s nun shin mem hay in Hebrew). The word for breath is apparently (according to Google translation tools) nun shin _yud_ mem hay. Check it out- נשימה נשמה They are apparently NOT the same word and cannot be interchanged. Care to comment on this **Kanicbird**? - There is the chance that Google translate actually spat out the words for spirit and breath, rather than breath and spirit what with Hebrew reading right to left. Regardless, they are not the same word. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/525 "2009-02-26T05:53:56Z")
I gather the existence of a man aged 120 years + one day will prove the bible wrong, wot? ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/526 "2009-02-26T06:07:46Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Huh. I was right that the word for soul is also the word for spirit (I learned the word for soul from watching Trembling Before G-d)- n’shema (almost certainly a misspelling on my part it’s nun shin mem hay in Hebrew). The word for breath is apparently (according to Google translation tools) nun shin _yud_ mem hay. > > Check it out- נשימה נשמה > > They are apparently NOT the same word and cannot be interchanged. > > Care to comment on this **Kanicbird**? > > - There is the chance that Google translate actually spat out the words for spirit and breath, rather than breath and spirit what with Hebrew reading right to left. Regardless, they are not the same word. I’m sorry, Doc, that you had to do your own research. I was being vituperative elsewhere. 😃 I would also like to point out that there are a coupla different written and I believe spoken words for breath (much like in English, we have exhalation and breath and etc) and I’m pretty sure it’s the same for air. IANA native speaker, warranty void if cover removed or where prohibited. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/527 "2009-02-26T06:09:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I gather the existence of a man aged 120 years + one day will prove the bible wrong, wot? Oh, you don’t even need to go hanging out in the Urals to raise that issue. You can go to Genesis, itself, to see that Kancbird has just invented one more new rule to twist around when its biblical contradiction is presented: Adam: 930 years Seth: 912 years Enosh: 905 years Kenan: 910 years Mahalel: 895 years Jared: 962 years Enoch: 365 years (bad Enoch died early) Methusaleh: 969 years Lamech: 777 years Noah: 950 years ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/528 "2009-02-26T06:38:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Hug children and love them! Shit, who’d have ever thought of it without the Lord’s intervention via **kanicbird**? It’s like a cross between Jesus and Benjamin Spock convened to make that suggestion! All the mothers and fathers of autistic kids are WAY too stupid to ever try realize their kids are autistic because they don’t love them enough! As a matter of fact, this is how you _torture_ autistic children. Trust me on this. ☹ > [@kanicbird](#): > > Seek and you will find, it doesn’t really matter all paths will eventually lead through Jesus to God for those who seek God with all their hearts. As I stated my path went through demon worship to Jesus. Okay, **kanicbird** – by your continued statements that you used to “worship demons”, I call bullshit. Actually, make that brainwashing. You have been brainwashed by your church and they have implanted memories in your mind that did not exist before. You never worshipped demons – you only believe you used to worship demons _now_ because your church has brainwashed you into making pithy statements like that. I grew up in a fundamentalist cult just like the one you’re in right now, and it was common practice for new converts to describe their pre-BA (Born Again) life as “demon worship”, “indulging in carnal pleasures”, or the ever-popular “hating Christ.” Having been an atheist/agnostic now for several years, I can tell you with absolute certainty that atheists do NOT worship demons, nor do they hate Christ. You have been lied to, plain and simple. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/529 "2009-02-26T06:42:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Oh, you don’t even need to go hanging out in the Urals to raise that issue. You can go to Genesis, itself, to see that Kancbird has just invented one more new rule to twist around when its biblical contradiction is presented: > > Adam: 930 years > Seth: 912 years > Enosh: 905 years > Kenan: 910 years > Mahalel: 895 years > Jared: 962 years > Enoch: 365 years (bad Enoch died early) > Methusaleh: 969 years > Lamech: 777 years > Noah: 950 years Actually, if you assume the pagan calendar back then was moon-based, not sun-based, and each year was actually only a month long, you get quite reasonable figures by dividing each age by 12. (Methusaleh = 80.75 years, etc.) I’m surprised few people ever point this out. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/530 "2009-02-26T12:58:43Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Actually, if you assume the pagan calendar back then was moon-based, not sun-based, and each year was actually only a month long, you get quite reasonable figures by dividing each age by 12. (Methusaleh = 80.75 years, etc.) I’m surprised few people ever point this out. But they weren’t pagans. They were Christians. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/531 "2009-02-26T13:40:28Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Actually, make that brainwashing. You have been brainwashed by your church. . . Given that Kanicbird expresses odd beliefs that can not be found in any actual religion, it is unlikely that your conjecture is correct. Without ascribing any accuracy to Kanicbird’s beliefs, I tend to doubt that they are the result of any childhood brainwashing. > [@KGS](#): > > Actually, if you assume the pagan calendar back then was moon-based, not sun-based, and each year was actually only a month long, you get quite reasonable figures by dividing each age by 12. (Methusaleh = 80.75 years, etc.) I’m surprised few people ever point this out. I am not surprised. I suspect that it is merely an odd coincidence. I know of no culture with a lunar calendar that did not organize their twelve or thirteen months into years. The position of the various constellations clearly have an annual cycle and only the most tropical regions do not have clear annual seasons. I doubt that any society reckoned their aging on months without organizing those months into a longer cycle of years. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/532 "2009-02-26T14:59:42Z")
tomndebb writes: \> . . . Kanicbird expresses odd beliefs that can not be found in any actual \> religion . . . I think this is something that should have been said long ago in this thread. kanicbird’s ideas come out of nowhere. I’m not interested in arguing whether they’re true or not. I suspect that nothing any of us could say would change kanicbird’s mind about any of the claims he makes. My problem is that there’s no consistent underlying religion, philosophy, science, or any other sort of intellectual system behind his ideas. Every post he comes up with a new claim that adds to his previous ideas with no attempt to fit them into a consistent system. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/533 "2009-02-26T15:41:53Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Given that Kanicbird expresses odd beliefs that can not be found in any actual religion, it is unlikely that your conjecture is correct. Actually, some of kanicbird’s professed beliefs (especially the whole “I used to worship DEMONS!!” thing) are quite common in charismatic/pentecostal sects of Christianity. It’s true, a lot of his ideas come out of left field, but that’s also common amongst charismatic Christians. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/534 "2009-02-26T15:56:03Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Well, I don’t know anything about this spirit world of yours, so apparently I don’t have a soul, right? So you have no instinct, no dreams, you are just a robot then I guess ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/535 "2009-02-26T16:04:40Z")
Domo arigato. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/536 "2009-02-26T16:10:20Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Wait is it one soul per load of semen or one soul per spermatozoa? There’s a difference of about 100 million there. > > If not all ejaculations contain souls, what determines this? The sperm and egg is just a reflection of the spiritual. My understanding is: 1 The man’s heart desires to give of his very self to his wife (sex is marriage scripturaly) 1a It doesn’t matter if the man believes he doesn’t want a child, it is the heart that matters, not the mind. 2 The woman’s heart takes the man’s heart and wraps it in life (egg) 2b it doesn’t matter if the women believes she doesn’t want a child, it is the heart that matters, not the mind. 3 If the timing is correct that will come together and be planted, if the womb is fertile a child should take root and grow, if the womb is barren the child probably die. IMHO In oral sex, if the intent of the mind is to avoid pregnancy, while the heart wants to have a child the woman could be consuming the soul, which would be consuming bitterness, and she would become embittered. If the intent is to be fruitful and multiply, and oral sex is just a form of sexual diversion, then I believe no soul would be consumed. God know the intent of our hearts. This I believe is the case of Onan in Gen 38, who spilled his seed on the ground, instead of impregnating his wife. This was a intentional case to avoid pregnancy, directly contradicting God’s first instruction, and incurred God’s wrath. Also interesting is that the child would not be his, but I assume his brother’s. I would WAG that a child (soul) was created, but something prevented that couple from bringing the child into the physical world, the child had to wait underground (spiritually). ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/537 "2009-02-26T16:14:22Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Several of my female friends have had kids. Some have not, and I have not either. (We’re fine with it, BTW.) I don’t see either group being happier or unhappier than the other. IMHO,We are taught at a very early age to believe we are happy (in out minds), when our hearts are in pain, crying out. The world teaches us to do the exact opposite of what our heart desires, stands us on our heads, and makes us believe this is as happy as we get, as when we start to tip we struggle to get back on our heads. It takes God to give us a good push to have us finally stand on our feet and find out who we really are. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/538 "2009-02-26T16:34:47Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The world teaches us to do the exact opposite of what our heart desires Given that my heart desires to set fire to people on the bus, this is hardly a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/539 "2009-02-26T16:39:51Z")
There’s no point then. You can never know if you just thought what you’re doing is right is actually wrong because your heart didn’t speak up. Unless we ask kanicbird. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/540 "2009-02-26T16:40:46Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I don’t remember anything. I’ve never met anybody who remembered anything prior to birth. Even reincarnation believers don’t claim the reborn soul remembers anything, and Cecil tells us past-life regressions have never been proven. Again science will never prove the spiritual because it can’t, it is designed to. The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God, and the way to learn what is really happening is just to seek God (not to seek information), and God will reveal the information. Again it’s not reincarnation so to speak, but one life. Reincarnation believers take it as a soul refining process, so the spiritual self has some influence of past lives. People do remember, but they are very much in the spiritual, their bodies are in a state of what we would call sensory isolation. There is sound, mostly a regular heartbeat and digestive noise, sense of motion, sometimes feeling through kicking and some body kenimatic (?), but very little. > [@](#): > > You do remember Christianity became popular when Jesus preached salvation and forgiveness, don’t you? You’re not exactly giving the Big Guy good spin here. [QUOTE=Matthew 10:38] and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mark 10:30] will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=2 Corinthians 12:10] That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. [/QUOTE] OK I can’t find a specific verse about being raped by a demon, but the Sodom and Gomorrah story seems to be just that, but you would have to know that the residences of these 2 cities were demon possessed. To who? You? How is at numerous scientists make proof, but you alone know it’s a deception? [This guy](http://www.timecube.com/) thinks he’s right and everybody else is wrong too. That site contradicts the Word of God (for one saying Adam and Eve never existed), though it may contain partial truths, each aspect has to be filtered by the Word. Scientist also contradict the Word, it really doesn’t matter how much worldly schooling they have, if God says something and they say it’s something else, God wins. > [@](#): > > Wow, you really think people should suffer and not be able to treat their pain? Just so they’ll look good in God’s eyes? I thought Jesus suffered on our behalf so we wouldn’t have to. In many ways I was hoping for that, but persecutions do come . Read about Paul’s life: [QUOTE=2 Corinthians 11:24-27 (New International Version)] 24Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers.27I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > I would have thought people don’t want to leave their jobs so they can afford food, lodging, and other life essentials, but that’s just me. Perhaps where you are health care is not a issue, I know many who are staying because they are afraid of losing their benefits, including pensions. We are instructed to follow God and not worry about such things. [QUOTE= Matthew 6:32] For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. [/QUOTE] God does not want us to be in bondage to a job over fear of losing benefits, or even food, He promises He will provide. > [@](#): > > Uh…OK, maybe Bill Gates isn’t the world’s richest man, but I wouldn’t mind having his billions all the same. Why does that make any difference? OK next time I speak with a demon I may mention that you would like this deal. You will be as rich as Bill Gates, have a flaming incurable case of reoccurring hemorrhoids, be a heroin addict. btw this will happen in 10 years when Bill Gates is broke and homeless, you will be as rich as him - enjoy. This is the deception we are dealing with, read the fine print (or at least ask for it). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528.md?page=28)