# Ouija Boards - I used to think it was bull until...... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528 "2009-02-19T09:46:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/541 "2009-02-26T16:47:35Z")
> [@MrK](#): > > **kanicbird** , do you belong to an organized church or other such organization? Have you discussed your beliefs with your minister? I don’t consider myself part of a organized church except the church that Jesus has set up. I do attend worship services at several such organizations, and God does use me to teach there, God has me working with several ministers. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/542 "2009-02-26T16:51:05Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > Beg pardon? Do you even speak Hebrew? Because unless you’ve come up with some slang from an American neighborhood in NYC, you’re wrong. Spirit is breath, wind, life, same word: [QUOTE=[Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.](http://scripturetext.com/genesis/1-2.htm)] And the Spirit ruwach (roo’-akh) wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively, life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension, a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being [/QUOTE] No I don’t speak Hebrew but do use the lexicons and have been lead to translate some scripture directly from Hebrew. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/543 "2009-02-26T16:54:40Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Huh. I was right that the word for soul is also the word for spirit (I learned the word for soul from watching Trembling Before G-d)- n’shema (almost certainly a misspelling on my part it’s nun shin mem hay in Hebrew). The word for breath is apparently (according to Google translation tools) nun shin _yud_ mem hay. > > Check it out- נשימה נשמה > > They are apparently NOT the same word and cannot be interchanged. > > Care to comment on this **Kanicbird**? > > - There is the chance that Google translate actually spat out the words for spirit and breath, rather than breath and spirit what with Hebrew reading right to left. Regardless, they are not the same word. My claim is they are not the same word also, spirit is breath (as in Ez 37, breath entered the people and they became alive). Soul, from my understanding is 1st created underground, gets breath usually as we take our first breath, and we come into this world. And is what goes on after this life. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/544 "2009-02-26T16:57:03Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Huh. I was right that the word for soul is also the word for spirit (I learned the word for soul from watching Trembling Before G-d)- n’shema (almost certainly a misspelling on my part it’s nun shin mem hay in Hebrew). The word for breath is apparently (according to Google translation tools) nun shin _yud_ mem hay. > > Check it out- נשימה נשמה > > They are apparently NOT the same word and cannot be interchanged. > > Care to comment on this **Kanicbird**? > > - There is the chance that Google translate actually spat out the words for spirit and breath, rather than breath and spirit what with Hebrew reading right to left. Regardless, they are not the same word. Going further on this one: [QUOTE=Hebrews 4:12] For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. [/QUOTE] Soul and spirit can be divided. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/545 "2009-02-26T16:59:01Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > 1a It doesn’t matter if the man believes he doesn’t want a child, it is the heart that matters, not the mind. In other words, everybody agrees with you even if they don’t know it? That saves a lot of time! Not that I’m opposed to poetry, but hearts don’t think. All thinking, believing, and other mental processes take place in the brain. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/546 "2009-02-26T17:04:10Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I gather the existence of a man aged 120 years + one day will prove the bible wrong, wot? Jesus not rising from the dead would prove the Word wrong. Talking about such apparent contradictions with what we view as reality would have to be done by in the Spirit of God, either by revelation to a single believer or multiple believers coming together. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/547 "2009-02-26T17:05:17Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Oh, you don’t even need to go hanging out in the Urals to raise that issue. You can go to Genesis, itself, to see that Kancbird has just invented one more new rule to twist around when its biblical contradiction is presented: > > Adam: 930 years > Seth: 912 years > Enosh: 905 years > Kenan: 910 years > Mahalel: 895 years > Jared: 962 years > Enoch: 365 years (bad Enoch died early) > Methusaleh: 969 years > Lamech: 777 years > Noah: 950 years No contradiction at all, God made that limit after the flood, those people were pre-flood. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/548 "2009-02-26T17:08:09Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Actually, if you assume the pagan calendar back then was moon-based, not sun-based, and each year was actually only a month long, you get quite reasonable figures by dividing each age by 12. (Methusaleh = 80.75 years, etc.) I’m surprised few people ever point this out. 😕 God knows how to use a calendar. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/549 "2009-02-26T17:11:32Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > As a matter of fact, this is how you _torture_ autistic children. Trust me on this. ☹ > > Okay, **kanicbird** – by your continued statements that you used to “worship demons”, I call bullshit. Actually, make that brainwashing. You have been brainwashed by your church and they have implanted memories in your mind that did not exist before. You never worshipped demons – you only believe you used to worship demons _now_ because your church has brainwashed you into making pithy statements like that. > > I grew up in a fundamentalist cult just like the one you’re in right now, and it was common practice for new converts to describe their pre-BA (Born Again) life as “demon worship”, “indulging in carnal pleasures”, or the ever-popular “hating Christ.” Having been an atheist/agnostic now for several years, I can tell you with absolute certainty that atheists do NOT worship demons, nor do they hate Christ. You have been lied to, plain and simple. KGS, will all due respect you should seek the Lord for help with this, you are so far off base. Demons came before I started church, I have diaries from my encounters with them. They are absolutely real. You really need to seek the Lord. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/550 "2009-02-26T17:14:45Z")
> [@rock\_party](#): > > There’s no point then. You can never know if you just thought what you’re doing is right is actually wrong because your heart didn’t speak up. Unless we ask kanicbird. To find out your heart, seek the one who created it, and He will not only tell you but give you the desires of your heart, what you have been longing for all your life, and trying to fill with all the wrong stuff. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/551 "2009-02-26T17:17:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > In other words, everybody agrees with you even if they don’t know it? That saves a lot of time! > > Not that I’m opposed to poetry, but hearts don’t think. All thinking, believing, and other mental processes take place in the brain. Again you are expressing the physical, when we are spiritual and eternal. And even science was able to suggest that memories are stored in the heart (google heart transplant patients memories) But I don’t desire that they agree with me, but that we agree with God. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/552 "2009-02-26T17:41:00Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Again you are expressing the physical, when we are spiritual and eternal. I find your arguments on this point unconvincing. > [@](#): > > And even science was able to suggest that memories are stored in the heart (google heart transplant patients memories) No. If you think this is a real thing, show me some proof. > [@](#): > > But I don’t desire that they agree with me, but that we agree with God. It appears you are asserting that everyone agrees with you even if they don’t know it. (I already said this, but it looks to me like you’re responding by reiterating your point with different phrasing that makes your meaning more vague.) ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/553 "2009-02-26T18:02:01Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I find your arguments on this point unconvincing. > > No. If you think this is a real thing, show me some proof. This is the very sad state of medical science, transplant patients absolutely know that they have aspects of the donor’s memories in them. Then the scientists get a hold of them and brainwash them to disbelieve what they know is true, having them question themselves (think of the damage this causes to a person), just because science can’t find any memories in the heart, though they don’t know what a memory is at all. The feel confident enough in their abilities to tell a person what they are feeling can’t really be what they are feeling and what they are thinking can’t really be what they are thinking. > [@](#): > > It appears you are asserting that everyone agrees with you even if they don’t know it. (I already said this, but it looks to me like you’re responding by reiterating your point with different phrasing that makes your meaning more vague.) Sorry, no I don’t want everyone to agree with me, I want everyone to agree with God which will lead to the desire of their hearts, which is the best possible life for themselves. I have seen way too many people have their heads disconnected from their hearts, continuous pursuing happiness instead of achieving it. Or worse living in misery but fooling themselves that they are happy. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/554 "2009-02-26T18:19:29Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > So you have no instinct, no dreams, you are just a robot then I guess What ‘instinct’ I have is the result of rational analysis; I do not come upon a path and say “oooh, my spirit guide vishnu says to go right”. I say, “I got no idea where to go, I see no hints that left is better, and in such cases, I always go right first.” I do hav dreams, but I’m also one of those rare people who do no unplug by brain and set it on the bedside table before I go to sleep. All of my dreams are quite compatible with my imagination - that or they lift characters from television. Animated television, usually, as it happens. (Are you going to tell me now that the smurfs are actually angels and that the thundercats are actually demons?) So, to you, I _am_ a robot. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/555 "2009-02-26T18:25:03Z")
So, you don’t have a credible cite, then? > [@kanicbird](#): > > This is the very sad state of medical science, transplant patients absolutely know that they have aspects of the donor’s memories in them. People “know” a lot of things that aren’t true. Feelings have a reality to people, but that’s not the same as external reality. > [@](#): > > Then the scientists get a hold of them and brainwash them to disbelieve what they know is true Mainstream science can be closed-minded, but this is a goofy idea that sounds like a conspiracy theory. > [@](#): > > having them question themselves (think of the damage this causes to a person) Most people refuse to question themselves in a lot of cases. I disagree that self-examination is damaging. > [@](#): > > though they don’t know what a memory is at all. I don’t think you have a better conception of memory than a neurologist does. > [@](#): > > The feel confident enough in their abilities to tell a person what they are feeling can’t really be what they are feeling and what they are thinking can’t really be what they are thinking. Mainstream science can be closed-minded, but feelings are not always accurate. > [@](#): > > Or worse living in misery but fooling themselves that they are happy. Yes, it’s terrible when people fool themselves. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/556 "2009-02-26T19:35:04Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > What ‘instinct’ I have is the result of rational analysis; would you say that about sexual orientation? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/557 "2009-02-26T19:37:04Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > would you say that about sexual orientation? No, nor would I say that of the fact I get hungry. There _is_ such a thing as biology, you know. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/558 "2009-02-26T20:03:47Z")
So, How 'bout them Ouija boards? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/559 "2009-02-26T20:08:53Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > So, > > How 'bout them Ouija boards? Well to sum the 12 pages up then are either: 1- consciously or unconsciously manipulated by a person or persons or 2- manipulated by good spirits or 3 - Satan wants you to believe choice 1 or 2 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/560 "2009-02-26T20:12:37Z")
And if you’re not sure which one it is, invite a few friends to come over and sit at the computer. Now, each of you place a hand on the mouse and instruct the Spirit of Windows to guide the cursor to the correct answer. Or consider potential answer #4: Eris will make the mouse do whichever answer is funniest to Her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528.md?page=29)