# Ouija Boards - I used to think it was bull until...... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528 "2009-02-19T09:46:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/561 "2009-02-26T20:13:41Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Spirit is breath, wind, life, same word: > No I don’t speak Hebrew but do use the lexicons and have been lead to translate some scripture directly from Hebrew. Congratulations, you’ve found one instance of the word “spirit” that has a metaphorical translation as wind or life, because it relates directly to an aspect of G-d in a metaphorical sense. It’s not a global translation and you can’t use the same word interchangeably with the other 1000 instances of the word “spirit” in the NT alone. Don’t even get me started on the OT. That’s like saying ordering huevos for breakfast in Tijuana will always get you some strange looks and potential hostility instead of being asked if you want them ranchero style or American style. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/562 "2009-02-26T21:26:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Again science will never prove the spiritual because it can’t, it is designed to. The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God, and the way to learn what is really happening is just to seek God (not to seek information), and God will reveal the information. Again it’s not reincarnation so to speak, but one life. Reincarnation believers take it as a soul refining process, so the spiritual self has some influence of past lives. > > People do remember, but they are very much in the spiritual, their bodies are in a state of what we would call sensory isolation. There is sound, mostly a regular heartbeat and digestive noise, sense of motion, sometimes feeling through kicking and some body kenimatic (?), but very little. I agree science can’t prove anything that isn’t there. 🙂 Since you won’t pay attention to science, I googled pre-birth memories, and [this guy](http://www.near-death.com/mills.html) claims he has them. He said he came down from the bright skies of Heaven, as opposed to the stygian darkness of Sheol. He says he remembers, because unlike everybody else, he wasn’t born with a veiled soul that prevents those memories. So he disagrees with you about people remembering. > [@](#): > > That site contradicts the Word of God (for one saying Adam and Eve never existed), though it may contain partial truths, each aspect has to be filtered by the Word. Yeah well, the purpose of me linking that site was not to entertain the notion that he was right about _anything_. He thinks he’s right and everybody else is wrong, much like you. Also much like you, he thinks established scientists and educators are [criminal brainwashers](http://timecube.com/index10.html). > [@](#): > > Scientist also contradict the Word, it really doesn’t matter how much worldly schooling they have, if God says something and they say it’s something else, God wins. Hehe OK, since you won’t listen to those nasty scientists, how about the Catholic Church? [They now say some parts of the Bible aren’t true.](http://www.stumbleupon.com/toolbar/#url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.timesonline.co.uk%252Farticle%252F0%252C%252C13509-1811332%252C00.html) You do know actual people wrote the Bible, right? That’s why there’s so many conflicting passages. As any cop will tell you, witnesses rarely give the same account. The Catholic Church counsels its members not to regard the Word as historically accurate. From the article: > [@](#): > > In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions. > [@](#): > > In many ways I was hoping for that, but persecutions do come . Read about Paul’s life: Good for Paul, but we were talking about demons torturing souls in hell, not goons hitting traveling preachers with sticks. > [@](#): > > Perhaps where you are health care is not a issue, I know many who are staying because they are afraid of losing their benefits, including pensions. We are instructed to follow God and not worry about such things. You were saying people were in bondage to their jobs because of health care. I’m saying the ability to afford life essentials is a much bigger reason. What does your car run on, faith? > [@](#): > > God does not want us to be in bondage to a job over fear of losing benefits, or even food, He promises He will provide. But he doesn’t mind demons torturing us, because it’s good for us. That’s some tough love. > [@](#): > > OK next time I speak with a demon I may mention that you would like this deal. You will be as rich as Bill Gates, have a flaming incurable case of reoccurring hemorrhoids, be a heroin addict. btw this will happen in 10 years when Bill Gates is broke and homeless, you will be as rich as him - enjoy. Bill Gates has incurable hemorrhoids? Didn’t know that. Even so, I got money. I can deal. I’ll just get my asshole transplanted. Besides, we were talking about the talk we have with God before we’re born, remember? And why are you speaking with demons, hmmmm? You secretly working for the other side, K-bird? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/563 "2009-02-26T21:59:28Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > Congratulations, you’ve found one instance of the word “spirit” that has a metaphorical translation as wind or life, because it relates directly to an aspect of G-d in a metaphorical sense. > > It’s not a global translation and you can’t use the same word interchangeably with the other 1000 instances of the word “spirit” in the NT alone. Don’t even get me started on the OT. > > That’s like saying ordering huevos for breakfast in Tijuana will always get you some strange looks and potential hostility instead of being asked if you want them ranchero style or American style. It’s the first of many many instances, both the Hebrew and Greek use the word for spirit that also means wind. There is also a sepereate word for soul in both Heb. and Greek, which is something else. ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/564 "2009-02-26T22:07:04Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It’s the first of many many instances, both the Hebrew and Greek use the word for spirit that also means wind. There is also a sepereate word for soul in both Heb. and Greek, which is something else. And a separate word for wind which can’t be used to mean spirit. And vice versa for spirit. A couple, in fact. Your original assertion is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/565 "2009-02-26T22:19:42Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Yeah well, the purpose of me linking that site was not to entertain the notion that he was right about _anything_. He thinks he’s right and everybody else is wrong, much like you. Also much like you, he thinks established scientists and educators are [criminal brainwashers](http://timecube.com/index10.html). I don’t think they are criminals, but they are spreading the lie of the enemy. > [@](#): > > Hehe OK, since you won’t listen to those nasty scientists, how about the Catholic Church? [They now say some parts of the Bible aren’t true.](http://www.stumbleupon.com/toolbar/#url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.timesonline.co.uk%252Farticle%252F0%252C%252C13509-1811332%252C00.html) You do know actual people wrote the Bible, right? That’s why there’s so many conflicting passages. As any cop will tell you, witnesses rarely give the same account. The Catholic Church counsels its members not to regard the Word as historically accurate. The scriptures are not historical, as history is written by man and in error (as God tells us BTW), the scriptures are truth. There are no contradictions, just misunderstanding on the part of the readers about the world. The RCC does what it can, there are people of God seeking, just as I am seeking, errors will be exposed by God in His time and His truth will prevail. IMHO If God lied about His Word in one place we can throw the whole book out. How they come up claiming God lied to man in those verses I don’t know, but I do know those verses are true. > [@](#): > > You were saying people were in bondage to their jobs because of health care. I’m saying the ability to afford life essentials is a much bigger reason. What does your car run on, faith? Again you are looking at this from a worldly point of view, God will provide the resources for His children. > [@](#): > > But he doesn’t mind demons torturing us, because it’s good for us. That’s some tough love. Ever heard of scared straight? Where children of parents are locked up in a real jail to try to keep them on track. > [@](#): > > Bill Gates has incurable hemorrhoids? Didn’t know that. Even so, I got money. I can deal. I’ll just get my asshole transplanted. Yes you will get as rich as bill gates once he loses all his money, you will have none also, no money to get any treatment for 'roids. Satan tempted Jesus [QUOTE=Luke 4 NIV] 5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7So if you worship me, it will all be yours.” [/QUOTE] Note Satan didn’t state the downside, but Jesus would have gotten His people back. > [@](#): > > Besides, we were talking about the talk we have with God before we’re born, remember? And why are you speaking with demons, hmmmm? You secretly working for the other side, K-bird? I worded the deal to give me a out as not to talk with them, I really don;t have any deals to make with them anymore. It was to show the deceptive dealmaking they like to use. So don’t worry about being a homeless heroine addict with a flaming asshole sharing a cardbord box with Billy. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/566 "2009-02-26T22:22:02Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > And a separate word for wind which can’t be used to mean spirit. And vice versa for spirit. A couple, in fact. Your original assertion is incorrect. Please provide book,chapter verse of this use of wind please ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/567 "2009-02-26T22:49:02Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Domo arigato. C-3PO: But sir, nobody worries about upsetting a droid. **Kanicbird** -I believe Onan was told to impregnate his _brother’s wife_. Not his own. And most people have oral sex for pleasure. Or is that no-no as well? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/568 "2009-02-26T22:59:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > C-3PO: But sir, nobody worries about upsetting a droid. > **Kanicbird** -I believe Onan was told to impregnate his _brother’s wife_. Not his own. > > And most people have oral sex for pleasure. Or is that no-no as well? Onan became the husband of his brothers wife once his brother died. The child would have been his ‘biologically’ but would have been his brothers in reality. There appeared to be a child stuck in Sheol that God wanted to come into the world. This is also interesting in terms of multiple partner females, if she has sex, trying to avoid pregnancy through contraceptives a child could be created spiritually. Once she marries and desires children the children may not be the husbands, but the former sex partners. This would cause less bonding between father and child, and overall a falling away of the apparent necessity of the father figure. As for oral sex, again it would go to the intent of it. If the couple were intentionally trying to avoid pregnancy then that would cause problems IMHO, if the oral sex was just part of sex play of a couple that was letting God determine if a child is to come about, IMHO is OK. The ideal and the requirement for blessings is God is the one to do the planning of parenthood and if that is the intent, anything else is taking that away from God, putting your trust in man (and demon) instead of God. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/569 "2009-02-26T23:10:28Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I don’t think they are criminals, but they are spreading the lie of the enemy. If they are spreading a lie, it was told to them by whoever created the universe - because all they are doing is repeating the things the universe tells them. So, if god created the universe, I guess that makes god the enemy. (Which sounds about right, what with him siccing demons on us.) > [@kanicbird](#): > > The scriptures are not historical, as history is written by man and in error (as God tells us BTW), the scriptures are truth. There are no contradictions, just misunderstanding on the part of the readers about the world. MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. Contradiction? What contradiction? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/570 "2009-02-26T23:24:01Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is also interesting in terms of multiple partner females, if she has sex, trying to avoid pregnancy through contraceptives a child could be created spiritually. Once she marries and desires children the children may not be the husbands, but the former sex partners. That’s… interesting. Children are created spiritually, even if there is no conception? What determines whether a spiritual child is created during sex? Can this happen to a married couple using birth control? I know women who used birth control all their married life (they and their husband just didn’t want children), and are now well into menopause, so there is no chance those spiritual babies are getting out of limbo, or where ever they are. What happens to them? Is god stuck with them, or does he surprise other women with these changelings? Where did this unique view of spiritual conception come from? Did god impart this knowledge directly to you, or did he use a human prophet? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/571 "2009-02-26T23:27:23Z")
Magically fertilized his brain with spermthought. Obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/572 "2009-02-27T00:07:50Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The scriptures are not historical, as history is written by man and in error (as God tells us BTW), the scriptures are truth. There are no contradictions, just misunderstanding on the part of the readers about the world. The RCC does what it can, there are people of God seeking, just as I am seeking, errors will be exposed by God in His time and His truth will prevail. No contradictions? You might want to[take a look at this site](http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html) then. A few examples: \*\* God good to all, or just a few?\*\* PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. \*\* Who is the father of Joseph?\*\* MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. \*\* The sins of the father\*\* ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Hey what’s that? Deuteronomy contradicts your main schtick about the Legacy of Sin! > [@](#): > > IMHO If God lied about His Word in one place we can throw the whole book out. How they come up claiming God lied to man in those verses I don’t know, but I do know those verses are true. I don’t think anybody’s claiming the Big Guy lied. The people who wrote the Bible just made some mistakes. OK, make that numerous mistakes. It’s hard to ferret out the truth when the witnesses are unreliable. They’re only human. > [@](#): > > Again you are looking at this from a worldly point of view, God will provide the resources for His children. What’s so wrong with “worldly?” Are you saying I’m using too much logic and practical experience and God doesn’t have room for it? > [@](#): > > Ever heard of scared straight? Where children of parents are locked up in a real jail to try to keep them on track. Yes, I’ve seen it. The prisoners didn’t get to torture or rape the kids though. They just yelled at them a lot. > [@](#): > > Yes you will get as rich as bill gates once he loses all his money, you will have none also, no money to get any treatment for 'roids. > > Satan tempted Jesus > > Note Satan didn’t state the downside, but Jesus would have gotten His people back. Again, we were talking about GOD. You said we discuss with God how our lives will be before we’re born, remember? I don’t know about you, but if I got to discuss with the Big Guy what my future life will be like, I’ll opt for comfort and riches. > [@](#): > > I worded the deal to give me a out as not to talk with them, I really don;t have any deals to make with them anymore. It was to show the deceptive dealmaking they like to use. So don’t worry about being a homeless heroine addict with a flaming asshole sharing a cardbord box with Billy. Thanks, you’re all heart. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/573 "2009-02-27T00:42:20Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > If they are spreading a lie, it was told to them by whoever created the universe - because all they are doing is repeating the things the universe tells them. So, if god created the universe, I guess that makes god the enemy. (Which sounds about right, what with him siccing demons on us.) > > MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. > > LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. > > Contradiction? What contradiction? This may exactly the same issue as Onan, the child was begotten by one guy (Er. the first husband), but the child’s bio-father was actually Judah, the father of Tamar. I believe this issue is very much in play today, children growing up with people (at least fathers) which are not their real parents, leaving that child not able to totally connect with the false parents, the term ‘planned parenthood’ is not just a physical term but a spiritual term where we allow the enemy to plan our parenthood. For those who can accept this I believe this is ‘Satan’s so-called deep secrets’ as mentioned in Rev 2:24. The destruction of the family unit. Also the differences in the gospels can be better understood first looking at the differences between Samuel/Kings vs. Chronicles in the light of the divided kingdom. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/574 "2009-02-27T00:57:20Z")
[QUOTE] > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That’s… interesting. > > Children are created spiritually, even if there is no conception? What determines whether a spiritual child is created during sex? Can this happen to a married couple using birth control? From Onan it would appear that children can be begotten, which I take of ‘split off of’ as opposed to created, something along the lines of, but not the same as, Eve was taken out of Adam. Eve always existed, but was part of Adam. > [@](#): > > I know women who used birth control all their married life (they and their husband just didn’t want children), and are now well into menopause, so there is no chance those spiritual babies are getting out of limbo, or where ever they are. What happens to them? Is god stuck with them, or does he surprise other women with these changelings? Changelings don’t seem to be the right term, I believe that refers to another aspect. If the couple is trying to prevent pregnancy, it is against the first order God gave man kind, as such would be surrendering some authority to a demon, so that demon might get to plan who’s child this would be. > [@](#): > > Where did this unique view of spiritual conception come from? Did god impart this knowledge directly to you, or did he use a human prophet? God has me working with a lot of thrown away children lately, I believe the amount of unloved children\>adults in society today is related to the number of abortions, and believe He has revealed some of the spiritual aspects of reproduction. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/575 "2009-02-27T01:16:44Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This may exactly the same issue as Onan, the child was begotten by one guy (Er. the first husband), but the child’s bio-father was actually Judah, the father of Tamar. Given that I think that this ‘begotten’ stuff of yours is a spectacular load of unmitigated crap, I doubt it. > [@kanicbird](#): > > Also the differences in the gospels can be better understood first looking at the differences between Samuel/Kings vs. Chronicles in the light of the divided kingdom. They can be _best_ explained when you realize that they’re stories written long after the fact by forgetful humans who were probably making bits of it up as they went along. I mean, that neatly explains why the stories of who visited Jesus’s tomb are utterly and irreconcileably contradictory. But go ahead: explain who went to the tomb in which order and when, in a way that makes all the stories “true”. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/576 "2009-02-27T01:22:35Z")
[quote=“Knowed\_Out, post:572, topic:486528”] No contradictions? You might want to[take a look at this site](http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html) then. A few examples: > [@](#): > > \*\* > God good to all, or just a few?\*\* > PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. > JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. > \*\* I’ve already gone into this one, the curse, even death is sometimes needed for them to get eternal life. The curses are not for punishment but discipline, it is what the people need to live the eternal blessed life. Even in His curses He is merciful. > [@](#): > > Who is the father of Joseph?\*\* > MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. > LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. Answered above > [@](#): > > \*\* > The sins of the father\*\* > ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. > DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. > > Hey what’s that? Deuteronomy contradicts your main schtick about the Legacy of Sin! This is orders to man, not God, not to punish the father for the crimes of the children nor the children for the father. God states that He will punish to the 4th’s generation, but prohibits man from doing so > [@](#): > > I don’t think anybody’s claiming the Big Guy lied. The people who wrote the Bible just made some mistakes. OK, make that numerous mistakes. It’s hard to ferret out the truth when the witnesses are unreliable. They’re only human. I’d rather you make the claim God lied, as saying there are mistakes in the Word is really foolishness. > [@](#): > > What’s so wrong with “worldly?” Are you saying I’m using too much logic and practical experience and God doesn’t have room for it? When God already tells you something is one way and you insist on seeking it out yourself He says you will find delusions. He warns us already - don’t try it won’t work. But by and by we all seem to do this. > [@](#): > > Yes, I’ve seen it. The prisoners didn’t get to torture or rape the kids though. They just yelled at them a lot. But the parents/police don’t have ultimate control of what happens, nor are they sure it will work, God has total control and knows exactly what we need. > [@](#): > > Again, we were talking about GOD. You said we discuss with God how our lives will be before we’re born, remember? I don’t know about you, but if I got to discuss with the Big Guy what my future life will be like, I’ll opt for comfort and riches. My take on it is God gives us simple instructions, like just trust in me, don’t talk to demons, no matter what they say. We also IMHO feel the total Love of God, which I have felt, at least a aspect of, so strong that I almost fell down. It is almost audible it is so strong. Then demons come and tempt us with something, then the process starts because we don’t listen. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/577 "2009-02-27T01:24:32Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Given that I think that this ‘begotten’ stuff of yours is a spectacular load of unmitigated crap, I doubt it. > > They can be _best_ explained when you realize that they’re stories written long after the fact by forgetful humans who were probably making bits of it up as they went along. > > I mean, that neatly explains why the stories of who visited Jesus’s tomb are utterly and irreconcileably contradictory. But go ahead: explain who went to the tomb in which order and when, in a way that makes all the stories “true”. 4 intersecting worlds. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/578 "2009-02-27T03:07:21Z")
Now I know you are just screwing with us. It sounds more and more like you just make it up as you go along. Congratulations for keeping it up so long. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/579 "2009-02-27T03:27:41Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I’ve already gone into this one, the curse, even death is sometimes needed for them to get eternal life. The curses are not for punishment but discipline, it is what the people need to live the eternal blessed life. Even in His curses He is merciful. I swear, you are just like Basil Fawlty of _Fawlty Towers_. He’ll tell a lie to get somebody off his back, then when they inquire further, he’ll add more false details to the point of utter ridiculousness. He absolutely will not admit to the lie and will do everything he can to stage reality to support the lie. You keep adding heaps of manure to your original assertion that God allows demons to harm us in order to prime us for eternal bliss, despite scripture like this: “The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.” (JAS 5:11) “For his mercy endureth forever.” (1CH 16:34) “The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works.” (PSA 145:9) “God is love.” (1JO 4:16) Aaaaaaaand you say you couldn’t find any scripture that God allows demons to rape us, but you think it’s a reasonable assumption because of the story of Sodom & Gomorrah? He destroyed the city with brimstone and fire, right? No demonic rape and torture involved. > [@](#): > > I’d rather you make the claim God lied, as saying there are mistakes in the Word is really foolishness. Are you fucking serious? Dude, God’s word was written by _humans_. Goat farmers, anguished Jewish nomads, disciples thirty years after the fact, etc, then by translators who made best guesses 3 or 4 times removed before the King James Version came to be. Humans make errors. Get used to it. Here’s a few more conflicting biblical passages for ya: **Judas died how?** “And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself.” (MAT 27:5) “And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.” (ACT 1:18) **Ascend to heaven** “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” (2KI 2:11) “No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, … the Son of Man.” (JOH 3:13) **How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?** 2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. 2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. > [@](#): > > When God already tells you something is one way and you insist on seeking it out yourself He says you will find delusions. He warns us already - don’t try it won’t work. But by and by we all seem to do this. Wow, you really are bound and determined to remain ignorant, aren’t you? Well, don’t let me stop you. What attracted you to the SDMB anyway, if you don’t want to fight ignorance? ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards-i-used-to-think-it-was-bull-until/486528/580 "2009-02-27T04:21:01Z")
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