# Ouija Boards **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [October 28, 2007, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312 "2007-10-28T06:01:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/41 "2007-10-30T14:06:19Z")
[QUOTE=Khadaji] You’re kidding, right? I can’t believe they are messing with a classic. [/QUOTE] Well, yes and no. They ARE introducing a new version of the game which uses an ATM card instead of paper money, but they are also retaining the classic game. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/42 "2007-10-30T14:30:16Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] The IMO was about the ability to channel demons through Ouija boards, I took Q.E.D.'s statement of “No, it cannot. There is no such thing.” to refer to the existent of demons, in which case it is directly anti-scriptural - there are demons, they exist, to deny that is to deny the Word of God. Now if Q.E.D. was referring to there is no such thing as a ‘channel’ to summon them, then yes that would be a interpretation of scripture. [/quote] Ah, and I see you were right. Fair enough. > [@](#): > > That is a fair assessment, but many faiths have sacred text that include the existance of demons, though they may be called something different, like evil spirits (Hebrew), jin (Islam), etc. Even if not recognized as ‘evil’ d_a_emons are recognized in the old Greek faith. True. But you still managed to do what he did on a larger scale. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/43 "2007-10-30T15:20:29Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Well, yes and no. They ARE introducing a new version of the game which uses an ATM card instead of paper money, but they are also retaining the classic game. [/QUOTE] 🙂 Sorry. I was playing along. I had read the other threads on the subject from a few weeks ago. [The SDMB has a Monopoly on Chicken Littles](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=440414&highlight=monopoly) I guess I don’t do it very well (or often enough) 'cause people never can tell. Thank you though, for the courteous answer. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/44 "2007-10-30T16:28:52Z")
[QUOTE=Khadaji] 🙂 Sorry. I was playing along. [/QUOTE] :smack: Silly me. I ought to have known that. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/45 "2007-10-30T18:10:41Z")
[QUOTE=Khadaji] You’re kidding, right? I can’t believe they are messing with a classic. [/QUOTE] And wait until you see what they have in store for the classic “Ouija Board”! It’s a system that doesn’t use a pointer. It’s an electronic board that texts you messages to your pager. Now you don’t even have to move a pointer; you simply connect it to your fingertips via electrodes and voilá! (demonic essences not included) ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/46 "2007-10-30T18:12:19Z")
Did you call the 800 number on the box? I believe the number is 1-800-luv-evil. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/47 "2007-10-30T18:15:51Z")
[QUOTE=RT] True. But you still managed to do what he did on a larger scale. [/QUOTE] Yes, I admit this … QED and myself are coming from 2 different perspectives here. In QED’s eyes he has decided on his own that there is no ‘god’ (and no demons), he does this by his own authority - that even in his own eyes I’m sure he will admit that his authority is not binding on myself. From my point of view God is real, the Creator and ultimate truth, the authority of what I said comes in the name of Jesus, (and actually openly professing Jesus is Lord is part of my faith) and I am empowered and authorized to speak in Jesus’ name. So yes there may be other ‘gods’ which support various faiths, but all is under the ultimate authority of God the Father. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/48 "2007-10-30T18:20:57Z")
God must love Ouija boards, because he made so many of them. ---
**Author:** ![shamrock227](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@shamrock227](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shamrock227)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/49 "2007-10-30T21:12:32Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] And wait until you see what they have in store for the classic “Ouija Board”! It’s a system that doesn’t use a pointer. It’s an electronic board that texts you messages to your pager. Now you don’t even have to move a pointer; you simply connect it to your fingertips via electrodes and voilá! (demonic essences not included) [/QUOTE] Like an iOuija! ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/50 "2007-10-30T21:18:14Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] And wait until you see what they have in store for the classic “Ouija Board”! It’s a system that doesn’t use a pointer. It’s an electronic board that texts you messages to your pager. Now you don’t even have to move a pointer; you simply connect it to your fingertips via electrodes and voilá! (demonic essences not included) [/QUOTE] But the important question that NO ONE has addressed! Will we still be able to get classic Ouija?! Hmmm. I think I’d better get to the toy store and buy all the classic ones up in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/51 "2007-10-30T21:27:27Z")
[QUOTE=Zoggie] But the important question that NO ONE has addressed! Will we still be able to get classic Ouija?! Hmmm. I think I’d better get to the toy store and buy all the classic ones up in advance. [/QUOTE] Sound like a good idea to me. Czarcasm V.P. Marketing Parker Brothers ---
**Author:** ![Khampelf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Khampelf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khampelf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/52 "2007-10-31T03:45:29Z")
My Tarot cards advised me to disregard messages from Ouija boards. And I’d straighten you all out on the God issue, but I’m not in full pirate regalia. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/53 "2007-10-31T04:15:50Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] Yes, I admit this … QED and myself are coming from 2 different perspectives here. In QED’s eyes he has decided on his own that there is no ‘god’ (and no demons), he does this by his own authority - that even in his own eyes I’m sure he will admit that his authority is not binding on myself. From my point of view God is real, the Creator and ultimate truth, the authority of what I said comes in the name of Jesus, (and actually openly professing Jesus is Lord is part of my faith) and I am empowered and authorized to speak in Jesus’ name. So yes there may be other ‘gods’ which support various faiths, but all is under the ultimate authority of God the Father. [/QUOTE] For an encore, are you able to lift yourself up by your own bootstraps? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/54 "2007-10-31T09:03:42Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] Yes, I admit this … QED and myself are coming from 2 different perspectives here. In QED’s eyes he has decided on his own that there is no ‘god’ (and no demons), he does this by his own authority - that even in his own eyes I’m sure he will admit that his authority is not binding on myself. [/quote] There is no evidence for any God (or demon), so QED has not decided this on his own. [QUOTE=kanicbird] From my point of view God is real, the Creator and ultimate truth, the authority of what I said comes in the name of Jesus, (and actually openly professing Jesus is Lord is part of my faith) and I am empowered and authorized to speak in Jesus’ name. So yes there may be other ‘gods’ which support various faiths, but all is under the ultimate authority of God the Father. [/QUOTE] Who empowered you? How did they do it? Who authorised you? Why are you not subject to Church authority? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/55 "2007-10-31T13:10:39Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] So yes there may be other ‘gods’ which support various faiths, but all is under the ultimate authority of God the Father. [/QUOTE] Doesn’t this sort of bump up rather hard against the First Commandment? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/56 "2007-10-31T13:49:34Z")
Not really. The First Commandment is “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me…” He leaves lots of room for other, lesser gods. He just doesn’t want them hogging all your attention. It’s like your spouse not wanting you to drool all over your attractive new neighbor. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/57 "2007-10-31T21:56:45Z")
[QUOTE=glee] Who empowered you? How did they do it? Who authorised you? Why are you not subject to Church authority? [/QUOTE] 1 - Jesus & Holy Spirit 2 - delegated His Authority in His name, 3 - Jesus, 4 - I am part of the Church. [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Doesn’t this sort of bump up rather hard against the First Commandment? [/QUOTE] Answered by **dropzone** [QUOTE=Princhester] For an encore, are you able to lift yourself up by your own bootstraps? [/QUOTE] Not by my own power. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/58 "2007-10-31T22:07:25Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] Not really. The First Commandment is “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me…” He leaves lots of room for other, lesser gods. He just doesn’t want them hogging all your attention. It’s like your spouse not wanting you to drool all over your attractive new neighbor. [/QUOTE] If those other gods shall not be had before him, how can they be the intermediaries that \*\*Kanicbird \*\*refers to? How does it square with Deuteronomy 6:14-15? – > [@](#): > > Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you; (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth. I am asking you, as he appears to choose to have you speak for him. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/59 "2007-10-31T22:23:56Z")
[QUOTE=kanicbird] From my point of view God is real, the Creator and ultimate truth, the authority of what I said comes in the name of Jesus, (and actually openly professing Jesus is Lord is part of my faith) and I am empowered and authorized to speak in Jesus’ name. So yes there may be other ‘gods’ which support various faiths, but all is under the ultimate authority of God the Father. [/QUOTE] Now here’s our problem. Some posts in this thread seriously need smileys. (IMHO, that one. 🙂 ) Others seriously need seriousness. Problem is, I can’t tell which are which. So without program notes, some of us are in serious danger of getting whooshed. And that’s a smiley. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312/60 "2007-10-31T22:24:17Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] If those other gods shall not be had before him, how can they be the intermediaries that Kanicbird refers to? How does it square with Deuteronomy 6:14-15? – [/QUOTE] Well I’m answering anyway 😉 , there are no intermediaries. Going through one such intermediary would be spiritual adultery and could incur a horrible curse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ouija-boards/424312.md?page=4)