# Our freedom is on it's last legs. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2005, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856 "2005-11-07T02:10:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2005, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/21 "2005-11-07T22:59:57Z")
Our freedom is on it’s [sic] last legs. Someone obviously took his kids to see the new [Disney Movie](http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/chickenlittle/) this weekend. Look, it’s all part of Bush’s brilliant plan. The terrorists hate us for our freedom, so if we get rid of our freedom, they won’t hate us anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/22 "2005-11-07T23:02:24Z")
> [@lno](#): > > (… oh, it’s just easier to go get drunk.) That’s your solution to _everything_! Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2005, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/23 "2005-11-07T23:09:48Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > That’s your solution to _everything_! Only because it _solves_ everything. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2005, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/24 "2005-11-07T23:30:47Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Finally, a man who loves America. And hates his freedom, from the looks of it. Off to the pub. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/25 "2005-11-08T01:30:05Z")
Guess Ino and Buttonjockey are on their last kegs by now. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/26 "2005-11-08T01:32:39Z")
> [@lno](#): > > (And pretend that I got **Miller** ’s joke and decided to pretend that he got my reference and that … oh, it’s just easier to go get drunk.) OK, so the president said it. That just means that it is still a steaming load of horse shit. I think every time he opens his mouth from now on, my stock reply to any Bushism will be “Where the fuck is Osama”. I’m sure all international assassins, master spies and supervillains are skulking into libraries. There’s just not enough rolleyes for it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/27 "2005-11-08T01:38:37Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > OK, so the president said it. That just means that it is still a steaming load of horse shit. I think every time he opens his mouth from now on, my stock reply to any Bushism will be “Where the fuck is Osama”. I’m sure all international assassins, master spies and supervillains are skulking into libraries. There’s just not enough rolleyes for it. **lno** , may I suggest a pig’s bladder and a wacky Horpo Marx horn? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/28 "2005-11-08T01:41:01Z")
I meant Harpo. C’mon, you gotta _know_ I meant H **a** rpo. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/29 "2005-11-08T01:47:03Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > **lno** , may I suggest a pig’s bladder and a wacky Horpo Marx horn? Horpo Marx, least known of the Marx brothers was killed by an exploding pig’s bladder in Viet Nam… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/30 "2005-11-08T03:33:28Z")
> [@lonesome loser](#): > > I would not be the least bit surprised. You mean you **will** not be surprised, there, Ahmed. And don’t tell anyone about this. We’ll explain why when the van stops by later. ---
**Author:** ![lonesome\_loser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c68b51/32.png) [@lonesome\_loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lonesome_loser)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/31 "2005-11-08T03:54:58Z")
Y’all are missing how serious this is. Let’s suppose there is a bad guy. He calls your number by mistake, a wrong number. They go through his phone records see’s that he dialed your number. Not only will you be checked out but every one you called will be checked out too. And there is no judicial control over this. Just some gung ho idiot in a suit. And they will keep this record forever! This doesn’t bother you? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/32 "2005-11-08T04:25:56Z")
> [@lno](#): > > Our country is at war and our government has the obligation to protect the American people. There’s an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again. So you bet we’ll aggressively pursue them. > > Do you want to wait for a mushroom cloud over your city because the government’s hands are tied by bureaucratic red tape? After all, if you’ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. 😃 Amazing, how many people you managed to whoosh with this, innit? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/33 "2005-11-08T04:29:07Z")
> [@lonesome loser](#): > > Y’all are missing how serious this is. > > Let’s suppose there is a bad guy. He calls your number by mistake, a wrong number. They go through his phone records see’s that he dialed your number. Not only will you be checked out but every one you called will be checked out too. > > And there is no judicial control over this. Just some gung ho idiot in a suit. > > And they will keep this record forever! > > This doesn’t bother you? The revelation that I am a frequent user of 900 number services will be a shame to myself and my decendants ☹ \* \*This has been a joke, brought to you by Mang humor services ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/34 "2005-11-08T05:02:44Z")
I expect to not have any privacy. I also expect that if I were ever handed a letter like this I’d tell the agent to go fuck himself. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/35 "2005-11-08T09:04:16Z")
> [@](#): > > I also expect that if I were ever handed a letter like this I’d tell the agent to go fuck himself. I’m reminded of a joke. These two guys are traveling through this small town. They’re going over the speed limit and a local cop pulls them over. The cop walks up to the driver’s side and tells the driver: “Give me your license and registration.” The driver starts saying, “Listen, officer -” but as soon as he starts talking, the cop slaps him across the face and says, “I didn’t tell you to talk. Just give me your license and registration.” So the driver doesn’t say a word. He hands the cop his paperwork and sits there while the cop writes him a ticket. Then the cop walks around to the passenger’s side, reachs in, slaps the other guy, and says, “There, you got what you wanted.” The passenger asks, “What are you talking about?” The cop says, "Because a mile down the road, your buddy was going to ask, “Why did that asshole slap me like that?’ and you were going to say, ‘I don’t know, but I wish he had tried that shit with me’.” ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/36 "2005-11-08T11:05:21Z")
Excellent joke! Yes, you can feel very smug about telling an FBI agent to fuck himself when you’re sitting in a secret detention facility for a few years. Anyway, here’s another tidbit from the article, for those who think this can’t possibly hurt them: > [@](#): > > In late 2003, the Bush administration reversed a long-standing policy requiring agents to destroy their files on innocent American citizens, companies and residents when investigations closed. Late last month, President Bush signed Executive Order 13388, expanding access to those files for “state, local and tribal” governments and for “appropriate private sector entities,” which are not defined. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/37 "2005-11-08T20:06:40Z")
> [@bluethree](#): > > Excellent joke! > > Yes, you can feel very smug about telling an FBI agent to fuck himself when you’re sitting in a secret detention facility for a few years. Due process jackass. I have friends at the national lawyers guild that would love to turn it into a media circus. Sure I’d be in jail for a while, but fuck it, if it’s what has to happen. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/38 "2005-11-08T20:20:34Z")
I’ve been in jail. It’s not as fun as it looks on TV. Also, when you’re secretly held in a secret detention facility you don’t generally get access to your lawyer friends. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/39 "2005-11-08T20:39:20Z")
So as long as we’re talking about lost freedoms, how does everyone feel about Connecticut’s & New Jersey’s use of Eminent domain to seize property and sell it to developers rather than public use? Just asking, I know it frightens the hell out of me. Jim ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856/40 "2005-11-08T21:13:41Z")
> [@bluethree](#): > > I’ve been in jail. It’s not as fun as it looks on TV. But surely Aunt Bea’s apple pie makes it all worth while, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-freedom-is-on-its-last-legs/329856.md?page=3)