# Our little nest of vipers: Ramira.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-little-nest-of-vipers-ramira/807231>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [January 22, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-little-nest-of-vipers-ramira/807231 "2018-01-22T18:51:13Z")\
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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-little-nest-of-vipers-ramira/807231/59 "2018-01-23T08:15:09Z")

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_I cannot support this Pitting._ **Ramira** is generally well-informed, more knowledgeable about economics than most Dopers who post on the topic, and has a better grasp of American or Israeli misbehavior than most Americans or Israelis. She offers a good counter-point to apologists for Israel, which SDMB is beset with from both the left and the right.

She often takes a one-sided view, exaggerating her side, while diminishing the valid points of her “opposition.” But don’t almost all of us do that? Anyway, that’s an appropriate stance in a forum like this, to make a strong case and let the reader use her arguments to fine-tune his own opinions.

The main charge in this Pitting is that she called Gaza “occupied” when in fact the Israeli Army, after bulldozing Gaza buildings and punishing it in other ways, retreat across their border wall rather than staying to “occupy” Gaza. To quibble at her only-slightly mistaken usage of “occupy” is to play the sophomoric game that degrades debate.

As for the charge that **Ramira** is “a belligerent or condescending asshole,” I’ll say only that if that is an offense, there are several Dopers more worthy of Pitting, _especially myself!_ :eek:

If I were to condemn **Ms. Ramira** , it would only be for her English grammar. For example, I’m unwilling to invest the time to deduce what the following even means:

> [@Why is Israel rich and Palestine poor?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-israel-rich-and-palestine-poor/643629/188):
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> Of course for the Israel, the human capital transfer of a large component of the population with both a certain degree of the economic wealth capital and connectoins as well as the human capital and networks to well put into work the access to the investment capital networks well developed and accessible via the ethnic routes in a very time tested fashion for the case of immigration, this is a very powerful boost.

… But my prose would be much worse than this if I were posting in my 3rd- or 4th-best language.

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