# Our Nation's 45th President will be only the second native New Yorker. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600 "2017-01-20T03:18:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/1 "2017-01-20T03:18:44Z")
Teddy Roosevelt will share a place in history with Donald Trump. Both native New Yorkers with strong ties to the city. Could be a Jeoprady question someday. 😃 Seven Presidents are from New York state. But only 2 from the city. It’s a bit surprising such a influential city hasn’t produced more Presidents. The peaceful transition of power is always exciting. I’m apprehensive about the future but looking forward to tomorrow’s inaugural celebration. > **[Presidents from New York: Donald Trump, Theodore Roosevelt and more | amNewYork](https://www.amny.com/news/presidents-from-new-york-donald-trump-theodore-roosevelt-and-more-1.11398148/)** > > Over a half-dozen U.S. presidents have hailed from New York. With the addition of President Donald Trump, seven of the nation's 45 presidents to-date call or ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/2 "2017-01-20T03:21:29Z")
Interesting contrast. Teddy spoke softly and carried a large stick. Trump speaks loudly and carries a very small stick. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![akennett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee59a6/32.png) [@akennett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akennett)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/3 "2017-01-20T03:38:24Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Teddy Roosevelt will share a place in history with Donald Trump. Both native New Yorkers with strong ties to the city. Have you seen both of their long-form birth certificates? ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/4 "2017-01-20T05:51:53Z")
Google (and maths) tells me currently a bit over 4% of the US lives in New York City - and it was probably a lot less in less urban eras of history. So two in 45 is probably slightly over their “share” ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/5 "2017-01-20T06:19:57Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > Google (and maths) tells me currently a bit over 4% of the US lives in New York City… Google and/or your calculations are incorrect. The population of the United States is about 320 million, and there are just about 8.4 million in New York. That’s about 2.6 percent. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/6 "2017-01-20T07:06:25Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Seven Presidents are from New York state. But only 2 from the city. Only five were born in the state: Martin Van Buren (Kinderhook, New York) Millard Fillmore (Summerhill, New York) Theodore Roosevelt (New York City) Franklin D. Roosevelt (Hyde Park, New York) Donald Trump (New York City) Grover Cleveland was born in New Jersey, and Chester Arthur was born in Vermont. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/7 "2017-01-20T07:17:04Z")
New York has played a prominent role in the US all my life. The Big Apple looms large in America. It’s the home of the UN. It seems to get much more attention from the National news. I’d guess because they are all based there. IIRC my history, people weren’t happy when Teddy assumed the role of the Presidency. He was seen as impulsive and ignored conventional wisdom. The VP role was meant to box him into a dead end political job. President McKinley’s assassination (6 months into his 2nd term) changed history. Must be the NY water. 😃 Trump’s demeanor is much the same. Imho ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/8 "2017-01-20T07:30:23Z")
Chester Alan Arthur was born in Vermont (or maybe Canada?) but was a NYC politician. He had connections with Boss Tweed of Tammany Hall. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/9 "2017-01-20T08:09:35Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > …but looking forward to tomorrow’s inaugural celebration. That’s interesting, because he sure isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/10 "2017-01-20T12:32:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Interesting contrast. > Teddy spoke softly and carried a large stick. > Trump speaks loudly and carries a very small stick. > > 😃 Love it. To the OP: Yeah, in addition considering the recent success of the musical _Hamilton_, and you can even throw in the losing candidate’s (newish) NYC ties, plus the losing party’s runner-up’s thick Brooklyn accent, you could say these are good times for the Big Apple’s links to national politics. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/11 "2017-01-20T13:09:30Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > Chester Alan Arthur was born in Vermont (or maybe Canada?) but was a NYC politician. He had connections with Boss Tweed of Tammany Hall. Yes, indeed, Arthur got a lot of flak about whether or not he was in fact a native-born citizen. His birthplace, Fairfield, Vermont, is definitely in the US. In fact, it is ten or fifteen miles inside the US, but Arthur’s family was spread widely on both sides of the border. The exact location of the line of demarcation was perhaps not as clear as it is today, which, together with a healthy dose of partisanship, was enough to fuel the “birthers” of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/12 "2017-01-20T13:56:40Z")
As a native and current NYC person, I ask that everyone please not judge us based on this one disgusting man-cheeto. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/13 "2017-01-20T14:50:17Z")
Interestingly, if FDR had been born in summer, he would have been ineligible to be president. His summer-born siblings wee born in the family summer home in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/14 "2017-01-20T15:05:59Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > Interestingly, if FDR had been born in summer, he would have been ineligible to be president. His summer-born siblings wee born in the family summer home in Canada. Born to two American citizens so, no I think he would have been. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/15 "2017-01-20T18:09:44Z")
It’s not that surprising. After all, I don’t even think most New Yorkers are native New Yorkers. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/16 "2017-01-20T18:19:59Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > Interestingly, if FDR had been born in summer, he would have been ineligible to be president. His summer-born siblings wee born in the family summer home in Canada. Interestingly, you are incorrect about his eligibility to be president. From the [Harvard Law Review](http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/): > [@](#): > > All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase “natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States. > > \ > > The Supreme Court has long recognized that two particularly useful sources in understanding constitutional terms are British common law and enactments of the First Congress. Both confirm that the original meaning of the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes persons born abroad who are citizens from birth based on the citizenship of a parent. Were you paying attention during the most recent election cycle, when Ted Cruz’s birth in a Canadian hospital was discussed? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-nations-45th-president-will-be-only-the-second-native-new-yorker/777600/17 "2017-01-20T18:27:40Z")
Also John McCain being born in Panama, and George Romney born in Mexico.