# Our New Iraq Counterinsurgency Strategy: Surge the Bombings! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2007, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-new-iraq-counterinsurgency-strategy-surge-the-bombings/408151 "2007-06-15T19:01:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2007, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-new-iraq-counterinsurgency-strategy-surge-the-bombings/408151/81 "2007-06-18T16:00:11Z")
[What Every American Should Know About Iraq](http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/15/1896/) And really, they should. Obligatory reading. Then come back and tell me Bush shouldn’t be bashed anymore and/or that he is not a criminal that we should unite against. What’s the alternative anyway? If you’re not against him and his policies, you certainly _are_ against **me**. Except I wasn’t the one that made it a bipolar world. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2007, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-new-iraq-counterinsurgency-strategy-surge-the-bombings/408151/82 "2007-06-18T16:18:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And wasn’t our collective dread scoffed at, by hard-headed realists with a firm grasp of military reality? How is it that men can fight and study wars for better than thirty years, and not see what is apparent to a hippy? And how is it that these same men presume to instruct us to compliant silence, pointing to their vast expertise as credentials, when the wreckage of their sober professionalism burns all around us? This is something I like to bring up a lot I know, but actually a lot of people “in the know” (i.e. area experts, military historians, people who know something about counter insurgency and military matters) said this was quite the bad idea and officially concluded so in various internal reports, but it didn’t matter in the end because they were brushed aside by ideologues. I certainly wouldn’t describe the neo-cons and their cheerleaders in the MSM as men who fought and studied wars for 30 years. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-new-iraq-counterinsurgency-strategy-surge-the-bombings/408151/83 "2007-06-18T16:42:02Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] And wasn’t our collective dread scoffed at, by hard-headed realists with a firm grasp of military reality? [/QUOTE] Actually, didn’t Rumsfled flat-out forbid any talk of postwar planning in the Pentagon? It wasn’t so much scoffing at our dread as completely pretending the problem didn’t/wouldn’t exist. Sailboat ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2007, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-new-iraq-counterinsurgency-strategy-surge-the-bombings/408151/84 "2007-06-19T01:23:07Z")
Why do we want to fight them with one radioactive hand behind our back. We could nuke them to the ground. Thats the ticket. How many American lives would we save. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-new-iraq-counterinsurgency-strategy-surge-the-bombings/408151/85 "2007-06-19T14:46:38Z")
Video of a 500 lbs bomb being dropped on “insurgents.” [500 lb. Bomb Dropped on Insurgents](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a56_1182188176) Listen to a soldier in the background as he comments: “We are about to drop a 500 lbs on a little shed…bit of overkill” Note the size of the explosion and the expansion wave. And then tell me how “smart” that was. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-new-iraq-counterinsurgency-strategy-surge-the-bombings/408151/86 "2007-06-19T14:52:02Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] Why do we want to fight them with one radioactive hand behind our back. We could nuke them to the ground. Thats the ticket. How many American lives would we save. [/QUOTE] Very true. After all that is the only logical next step if we’re to follow **IS’s** line of reasoning. Smart, surgical nukes of course. They won’t kill 1,000 more innocents than they absolutely have to. * * * Lies by omission. What the US press aren’t publishing about Iraq. [A Culture of Atrocity](http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070618_a_culture_of_atrocity/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/our-new-iraq-counterinsurgency-strategy-surge-the-bombings/408151.md?page=4)