# Out LGBT television characters **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 24, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079 "2005-03-24T19:44:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/81 "2005-03-27T21:54:30Z")
> [@Hamish](#): > > I don’t really think there’s any other way to interpret that last scene without those words. > > Part of the reason the bet is so poignant is because Subaru really does seem to fall for Seishiro. And art of the power of the reversal at the end is that it seems Subaru won the bet after all. > > Also remember the Sakurazukamori curse – to be killed by the one you love. > > One of many, many representative lines of dialogue (translated from the Frnech version I own): > > Seishiro: So I suppose we can pick a date for our wedding now. > Subaru: Um, but I’m a boy… > Seishiro: So I noticed. > (volume 1, p. 120) > > Plus there’s Hokuto’s complaint that Seishiro is “completely obsessed with guy’s asses.” > > I’m not a fan of the “innocent until proven gay” approach. Homosexuality is clearly, undeniably part of the series, and removing the romance aspect between the couple would make it lose a lot of its power. > > Plus, I doubt there’d be any question of something there if one were male and one female. I know - I’m as much a SeixSub fan as anyone else, but I’m just saying it isn’t glaring in the canon. We never got the ‘completely obsessed with guy’s asses’ part in English. I always saw the wedding stuff as idle flirting - Seishirou was just as touchy and smiley with Hokuto. I just think a kiss or something is needed for sure to make it canon. ---
**Author:** ![gfloyd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d2c977/32.png) [@gfloyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gfloyd)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/82 "2005-03-27T22:40:54Z")
Also on Roseanne, her mother Bev came out one Thanksgiving. I haven’t had the chance to watch Law & Order much since I moved to college, but when did Serena come out, or was this something I missed from the beginning? ---
**Author:** ![TeaElle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/83 "2005-03-29T01:06:46Z")
On “Sex and the City” Carrie’s agent Stanford Blatch (played by Willie Garson) and Charlotte’s decorator Anthony Marantino (played by Mario Cantone) were both gay, and disastrously set up with one another. Additionally, Samantha was in a same-sex relationship for half a season with the gorgeous Maria (who never had a last name that we knew of) played by Sonia Braga. Since we’ve named Kerry Weaver on ER, shouldn’t we name her two lovers, Kim Legaspi (played by Elizabeth Mitchell) and Sandy Lopez (played by Lisa Vidal) and the first ER lesbian, Dr. Maggie Doyle, played by Jorja Fox. I’ve been of the impression that John Irvin, the precinct clerk on NYPD Blue (played by out actor Bill Brochtrup) was gay, but not being a regular viewer I could be mistaken about that. ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/84 "2005-03-29T03:11:39Z")
> [@gfloyd](#): > > Also on Roseanne, her mother Bev came out one Thanksgiving. > > I haven’t had the chance to watch Law & Order much since I moved to college, but when did Serena come out, or was this something I missed from the beginning? Serena only came out in her last scene of her last appearance. I hadn’t been regularly watching either, so it came as a “huh?” moment to me. Adding to the list is Sharon Tyler (sister of the main character Jaye who has animals like stuffed bears and wax lions talking to her) from Wonderfalls along with Beth, a character who appeared a couple of times, and with whom Sharon was involved. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/85 "2005-03-29T04:06:13Z")
> [@gfloyd](#): > > I haven’t had the chance to watch Law & Order much since I moved to college, but when did Serena come out … ? About ten seconds before the character left the show. Does Waylon Jennings count as “out”? ---
**Author:** ![threeorange](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@threeorange](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threeorange)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/86 "2005-03-29T10:51:12Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Does Waylon Jennings count as “out”? Waylon Jennings? The country-western star? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/87 "2005-03-29T11:45:37Z")
> [@threeorange](#): > > Waylon Jennings? The country-western star? Or does he mean Waylon Flowers (is he even still alive)? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/88 "2005-03-29T12:21:58Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Or does he mean Waylon Flowers (is he even still alive)? just googled my answer- passed away October 11, 1988. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/89 "2005-03-29T12:52:34Z")
Hmm… I don’t think anyone’s mentioned Babylon 5 yet. Ivanova and Talia Winters seemed to have an awful lot of “sleepovers”, although it was left very vague as to their relationship. However, later on, when Talia is revealed to have been a sleeper agent for the PsiCorps, and abruptly leaves the show, Ivanova says, “I think I loved her.” ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/90 "2005-03-29T12:58:50Z")
Just a nitpick, but your sentence structure makes it sound like the two things happened immediately after one another. In fact, it took a few episodes (months?) for her to admit to what she felt. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/91 "2005-03-29T17:05:39Z")
Heh. Waylon _Smithers_, of course. From what I’ve seen he’s leaning out the closet door but not yet stepped into the living room. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/92 "2005-03-29T17:06:10Z")
Nitpick, nitpick, nitpick. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/93 "2005-03-29T20:14:35Z")
Wait a minute… Folks here are consistently referring to SNL’s Pat as “her”… Was that ever made explicit on the show, or is that just speculation? And there was a gay male paramedic on ER, too, that I didn’t notice if anyone mentioned. I don’t remember if he ever had a boyfriend appear on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/94 "2005-03-29T20:24:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait a minute… Folks here are consistently referring to SNL’s Pat as “her”… Was that ever made explicit on the show, or is that just speculation? Julia Sweeney has consistently refused to reveal Pat’s sex. ---
**Author:** ![TeaElle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079/95 "2005-03-31T19:52:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait a minute… Folks here are consistently referring to SNL’s Pat as “her”… Was that ever made explicit on the show, or is that just speculation? > > And there was a gay male paramedic on ER, too, that I didn’t notice if anyone mentioned. I don’t remember if he ever had a boyfriend appear on the show. There was a gay paramedic, that was Raoul, whose partner Shep dated Carol Hathaway. He was killed in a fire. There is currently a gay nurse, Yosh Takata, played by Gedde Watanabe, best known as Long Duc Dong from _16 Candles_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/out-lgbt-television-characters/296079.md?page=4)