# Outlander TV Show **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 4, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755 "2014-08-04T02:36:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/181 "2015-04-03T20:29:46Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I did not watch it when it originally ran. Me and my husband caught the marathon last week end. Watched them all in order. I have not read the book. And I would have been pissed if I had to wait all this time to find out what happens. > > But then again, I never ever got to find out what happens at the end of North and South, so I guess this is much better than that. I can help you with that. The North won. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/182 "2015-04-03T20:43:21Z")
My DVR might run out! Outlander returns Saturday night Mad Men returns Sunday night Wolf Hall premieres Sunday night Broadchurch s2 continues on Wednesday night I better go out and get some more popcorn! ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/183 "2015-04-07T20:03:48Z")
Game of Thrones comes back too! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/184 "2015-04-07T20:37:00Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Game of Thrones comes back too! I was very worried they’d be on on the same day. But they aren’t. Phew. Also, what happened to all the commentary? How did the first episode fare in everyone’s opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/185 "2015-04-07T20:44:44Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Game of Thrones comes back too! _blink blink_ Well hello, stranger. I continue to be perturbed by the divergence from the book. From a storyteller’s perspective I can see where the changes come from, but it still feels like the episodes are written by committee and trying to dumb down a story that already has a massive, and rabidly loyal, following. A following that _isn’t_ getting a scene it wants every time the scriptwriters pull a different scene out of their asses. For people who haven’t read the book, the only things taken from it in that episode were the spanking scene and a few lines of dialogue at the end (put into a scene that was emotionally \*very \*different from the book). If I was Diana Gabaldon, I would be pissed. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/186 "2015-04-07T20:48:06Z")
So there’s no jealous ex-girlfriend in the book? ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/187 "2015-04-07T21:02:04Z")
Laoghaire Damn-Her-Eyes Mackenzie is in the book, but it plays out differently. She’s a lot skulkier and a lot less forward after Jamie and Claire are married. Edited to add: Diana Gabaldon also wrote a graphic novel version of Outlander, told from Jamie’s perspective instead of Claire’s. I have not read it, so it’s possible some material is being drawn from that source. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/188 "2015-04-07T21:26:10Z")
As I’ve already said, I haven’t read the books, but I can see she’s gonna fuck up our heroine’s happiness. Because, for sure with a whole season to go, they cannot live happily ever after yet. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/189 "2015-04-08T01:16:07Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > My DVR might run out! > > Outlander returns Saturday night > Mad Men returns Sunday night > Wolf Hall premieres Sunday night > Broadchurch s2 continues on Wednesday night > > I better go out and get some more popcorn! Orphan Black is also returning and Daredevil hits Netflix on April 10. Goodbye, life. I’m kidding. I never had a life, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/190 "2015-04-08T01:41:18Z")
In the books, Jamie remains completely in the dark re Laoghaire’s obsession with him. NOTE: Do NOT read the spoiler if you haven’t read the series, as it reveals several major plot points that you really don’t want to know ahead of time. Seriously. And I don’t know how they’re going to explain Jamie’s subsequent marriage to Laoghaire in Book 2 if they don’t keep him COMPLETELY in the dark re her feelings. This happens to be one of my major beefs with the book: Claire never reveals that it was Laoghaire who betrayed her, which paved the way for Jamie’s ill-fated marriage to her. As if that little tidbit wouldn’t have ever come up in conversation. In the book, Jamie continues to believe that she’s nothing more than a harmless teenage girl with a crush. (IOW, the scene in the woods where she throws her goose-bumped boobs at him doesn’t happen, and he doesn’t think “Laoghaire” when she finds the ill wish.) For me, the other major change that I HATED was the circumstances re Claire’s “walkabout.” In the book, she has no plausible claim of just going out for an innocent walk. It is abundantly clear that she meant to leave him, as she left her horse behind, and was several miles away when she was captured. It just so happened that her capture was witnessed by a clansmen or Jamie would have never known what happened to her. This makes Jamie even more sympathetic because even though it’s obvious that she betrayed him at her first opportunity, he still tried to save her from Black Jack. He’d made a vow to protect her with his body, and he kept that vow, even though she broke her vows, and with it, his heart. It was only the clansmen’s esteem for him that led them to assist him in her rescue, because she was personae non grata after that stunt. She hadn’t just disobeyed Jamie, she’d betrayed all of them. So his “punishment” was both deserved and necessary, not just because Jamie was angry, but because it paved the way for her to be reconciled with both him and his clansmen, who would have never forgiven her had Jamie let her off scot free (pardon the pun). So that’s the setting that explains their estrangement when they return to Castle Leoch. The fight/violent sex scene was a culmination of that tension. The fight was pivotal because it’s the first time that they decide that they WANT to act as man and wife, not because of a forced marriage, but because that’s what they freely choose to do. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/191 "2015-04-08T03:38:24Z")
Damn, I missed the new season premiere. My current nomadic abode doesn’t have the channel. But my NEW nomadic abode does, and I move Friday morning. I should be able to catch up on it this weekend, then watch the 2nd episode as it airs. Yay! ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/192 "2015-04-08T17:37:27Z")
Listening to the Ron Moore podcast (free, iTunes) they actually filmed an extra 10-15 minutes that they had to cut. I think that’s when it really hit home for me, the difference between books and their adaptations. Established authors can make the book as long as they want. But if you only have 55 minutes, you have to pick and choose. I see this watching Game of Thrones too. We may take a detour here and there, but we will end up in the same place. P.S. Hi, **Sattua**! Just poking my head back in. ---
**Author:** ![MsJinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@MsJinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsJinx)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/193 "2015-04-11T19:40:08Z")
There hasn’t been any mention of how killing Black Jack Randall will prevent Frank from being born yet? (Not a spoiler, just a consideration for now - I have read all of the books, loaned someone Outlander, so can’t check to see if this has come up there by now - I have read all of the books, so no need for anyone to box a spoiler for me). ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/194 "2015-04-13T14:43:42Z")
It will be covered next season. Patience, grasshopper. Going on to Episode 10…loved the opening scenes. Jamie is a quick study. Rawr. I loved witchy Geillis. Did anyone else get an Oracle-from-the-movie-the-300 vibe while she was writhing around in the dirt? Claire, Claire, Claire. We love you honey, but you still have this “I am wise because I am from the future” complex that keeps getting you in trouble. She doesn’t know how to interact with the locals. Changelings and faerie hills? Posh, my good woman, it’s just a sick child and I will try to help it. You cannot bring 20th century logic to uneducated 18th century folk, becaus they will bring 18th century justice to your cute 20th century behind. I want to have tea with Simon Cowell and exchanged well-mannered barbs. With politeness and a properly crooked little finger, of course. Colum may be the tiniest man in the room, but he wields the most power. ---
**Author:** ![Barrett\_Bonden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@Barrett\_Bonden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barrett_Bonden)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/195 "2015-04-14T01:15:09Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I want to have tea with Simon Cowell and exchanged well-mannered barbs. With politeness and a properly crooked little finger, of course. Simon Callow? I don’t believe Simon Cowell understands the concept of “well-mannered.” ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/196 "2015-04-14T14:26:31Z")
You’re right…I misread the name. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/197 "2015-04-14T17:53:55Z")
> [@Barrett\_Bonden](#): > > Simon Callow? > > I don’t believe Simon Cowell understands the concept of “well-mannered.” > [@ivylass](#): > > You’re right…I misread the name. You might recognize him as John Hannah’s lover from _Four Weddings And A Funeral_, or the Master of Revels (“This woman is a WOMAN!”) from _Shakespeare In Love_. Bombastic, flamboyant cads are his stock-in-trade. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/198 "2015-04-14T20:00:42Z")
I never saw Four Weddings and I only saw Shakespeare in Love once, so the actors don’t stick for me. I thought he did a fantastic job. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/199 "2015-04-15T00:21:21Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > You might recognize him as John Hannah’s lover from _Four Weddings And A Funeral_, or the Master of Revels (“This woman is a WOMAN!”) from _Shakespeare In Love_. Bombastic, flamboyant cads are his stock-in-trade. He was also Charles Dickens on Doctor Who. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755/200 "2015-04-15T01:12:20Z")
Strike three…it may be heresy around here, but I never got into Dr. Who. :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/outlander-tv-show/694755.md?page=11)