# Over-generalizing but: Why do Muslims hate Jews? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 20, 2004, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076 "2004-07-20T22:21:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/41 "2004-07-21T14:09:21Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Why weren’t the Jewish settlersa welcome? As **tom** noted they were seen ( and in all fairness de facto were ) as outside colonizers ( and unthinking Muslim bigotry topwards what had formerly regarded as second-class citizens didn’t help ). And also part of the problem was, at the same time that there was large scale Jewish settlement of Palestine, you were beginning to see the growth of Arab nationalist movements. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/42 "2004-07-21T14:37:26Z")
Based on the fact that “random people from some religion hate people from another religion” could this OP not read “why do Christians hate Jews?” or “Why do Jews hate Muslims?” Or “Why do Muslims hate Christians?” or “Why do Christians hate Muslims” or “why do Bob the builder lovers hate Tellytubbie lovers” or why do “Coro street lovers hate Eastenders lovers” Surely MOST people from ANY religion don’t hate ANYONE from ANY religion. Lunatics/fundamentalists will merrily hate anyone from anywhere…if that continues their loony desires. ---
**Author:** ![jfortun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2acd7d/32.png) [@jfortun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfortun)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/43 "2004-07-21T14:54:23Z")
> [@Jodi](#): > > Anybody want to recommend a book on the subject? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? I can’t recommend anything on history, but from a cultural/psychological perspective you should check out The Arab Mind by Raphael Patai. ---
**Author:** ![jfortun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2acd7d/32.png) [@jfortun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfortun)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/44 "2004-07-21T15:09:44Z")
> [@lambchops](#): > > **Stockton** , all your examples were committed by a small group of people, not by Muslims as a whole. Anyone could cite a group of terrible crimes committed by Americans, or Turks, or the Welsh. Doesn’t mean any of those groups, taken as a whole, are bad. The problem with this statement is that although the act was committed by a very few people, it was celebrated and lauded by a good many (read millions) more. Not even American Muslim organizations were willing to categorically condem the attacks. When Iraqi prisoners were abused by American soldiers it was condemed by just about every American and American organization I can think of. You can draw your own conclusion about each group’s respective reaction to the attrocities. ---
**Author:** ![barbitu8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@barbitu8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barbitu8)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/45 "2004-07-21T15:17:04Z")
Regardless of its origin, the Arabs foment the continuation of hatred for the Jews and instigate it in their children, beginning in nursery school. Their schoolbooks depict Jews as sub-human. “Matyrs” (actually terrorists, and not “militants” as the media reports - since the objects of their destruction are civilians) are depicted as going to heaven and this is inculcated into the minds of very young children. So, with this kind of “education,” the hatred of Jews by the Arabs is fostered and abetted, and until that changes, the hate will continue. As to the buying of the land by European Jews, we here in America stole lands from the Indians. However, there is no hate between us now, and Indians are considered as having a separate nation. It is a tribute to the Indians that they did not inculcate the same hatred the Arabs have in their young. People are not born hating others. Hate must be taught. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/46 "2004-07-21T15:21:51Z")
> [@barbitu8](#): > > Regardless of its origin, the Arabs foment the continuation of hatred for the Jews and instigate it in their children, beginning in nursery school. Their schoolbooks depict Jews as sub-human. “Matyrs” (actually terrorists, and not “militants” as the media reports - since the objects of their destruction are civilians) are depicted as going to heaven and this is inculcated into the minds of very young children. > > So, with this kind of “education,” the hatred of Jews by the Arabs is fostered and abetted, and until that changes, the hate will continue. So there was never a time when Christans were “educated” this way about Jews? Does this not say more about politics then it does about religion? ---
**Author:** ![jfortun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2acd7d/32.png) [@jfortun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfortun)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/47 "2004-07-21T15:23:46Z")
> [@barbitu8](#): > > Hate must be taught. You’re not going to starting singing something from South Pacific, are you? ---
**Author:** ![barbitu8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@barbitu8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barbitu8)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/48 "2004-07-21T21:03:09Z")
[http://www.naomiragen.com/Other%20Articles/AgendaOfIslam.htm](http://www.naomiragen.com/Other%20Articles/AgendaOfIslam.htm) > [@](#): > > This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic. > > This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear - territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important. > > The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created…[snip] …But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from Islam by Jews. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent state. It is anathema. > > And (this is the worst) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/49 "2004-07-21T21:32:28Z")
> [@barbitu8](#): > > [http://www.naomiragen.com/Other%20Articles/AgendaOfIslam.htm](http://www.naomiragen.com/Other%20Articles/AgendaOfIslam.htm) That article is flawed in a number of ways **barbitu8**. Just for an example the concepts of Dar al-Harb and Dar al-Islam did not originate in the Qur’an as the author attests, but rather was proposed by the theologian Abu Hanifa ( 699-765 ). I’m not sure if it would be appropriate to dissect more extensively in this forum and I fear it would be off-topic but I can later if you like ( or by e-mail if you prefer ). - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![barbitu8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@barbitu8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barbitu8)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/50 "2004-07-21T21:54:16Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I’m not sure if it would be appropriate to dissect more extensively in this forum and I fear it would be off-topic but I can later if you like ( or by e-mail if you prefer ). > > - Tamerlane I’m sure others would be interested also. Perhaps you can start a new thread in GD? ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/51 "2004-07-21T23:14:55Z")
**PaulFitzroy** wrote > [@](#): > > My best guess is that the Arab Muslims before the '67 war that were against Jews were against them for religious reasons: they were Muslims, the Jews were Jews, Muslim doctrine=Jews=Pigs & Dogs, and most of these people weren’t college-educated seculars. A case here or there doesn’t make it doctrine. > [@](#): > > And Jodi, thanks for making fun of me. Personally, I thought **Jodi** was pretty kind. Your exclamation points, all caps notation and similar commentary would be better in another forum. > [@](#): > > If the New York Yankees were defeated in the upcoming World Series by the Padres, how do you think New Yorkers (those of them with red blood in their veins, at any rate) would feel about the Padres from that point on? > How about “resentment, shame and anger?” How about a healthy sense of respect? **barbitu8** wrote > [@](#): > > Regardless of its origin, the Arabs foment the continuation of hatred for the Jews and instigate it in their children, beginning in nursery school. Their schoolbooks depict Jews as sub-human." That’s just false. Perhaps you can find an instance where it’s happened, perhaps even a few, but it’s not a general rule by any stretch of the imagination. Your statement is as racist as what you’re accusing others of. As to the OP, Arabic and Muslim friends of mine (they’re not the same as most probably know) tell me the modern unhappiness is all about the state of Israel and their (perceived) harsh treatment of Palestinians. And there’s a lot of truth to that perception. It’s hard to imagine police in the U.S. bombing a black neighborhood in Detroit, killing many innocents, because someone in the neighborhood was a fugitive from the law. Another observation I’ve had: In Pakistan, I’ve talked to several senior society members (several Generals, a Media mogul, and some other powerful businessmen) about the subject, and all came across as genuinely non-anti-semitic (though all didn’t look very fondly on the nation of Israel). In lower layers of society, there was more anti-semitism of course. Also of note: in a travel agency in Pakistan, I saw a huge world map that didn’t have Israel on it. At the time, I wondered if most maps available there were like that, but didn’t ask. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/52 "2004-07-21T23:54:02Z")
I just read your link, **barbitu8**. It’s hate-filled, very lobsided, and really a jewish equivalent of a Chick tract. I’m sorry to hear that you consider it a factual reference, and disappointed that you felt the need to post it here. Here’s a typical quote: > [@](#): > > It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision of the end of days. > > In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth. > > Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That’s the vision. > > I’m speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory. > > Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and they’ll be replaced by the Christians. > > The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should be killed. I’m quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. The Jews will all be killed. They’ll be running away and they’ll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, “Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him.” Without this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam. Do you actually know any Muslims? Have you actually bothered to ask anyone if this was typical of their childhood education? It’s bad enough that these sorts of lies were written by some racist. Is there really any reason to repeat them? Or worse to cite them as factual reference material? ---
**Author:** ![PaulFitzroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2acd7d/32.png) [@PaulFitzroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulFitzroy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/53 "2004-07-22T00:17:34Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s bad enough that these sorts of lies were written by some racist. How can you call that racist? More racist than Islam, which historically dominated the trade in black slaves and to this day practices black slavery in Africa? ---
**Author:** ![PaulFitzroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2acd7d/32.png) [@PaulFitzroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulFitzroy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/54 "2004-07-22T00:23:34Z")
Let me elaborate. The term “racist” is bandied about nowadays by anyone with an axe to grind. Nothing in that quote that I read made any indication of being against any particular race. There is a difference between being against a religion or part of a doctrine of a religion that calls for your extermination, and being against, say, black people as a race of people. The fools that say “Zionism is racism,” for instance, are misusing this phrase and playing on the climate that has been created by today’s politically correct times. Today, being accused of a racist is the PR equivalent of a supermodel getting her face splashed with sulfuric acid (the punishment for prostitution under Islamic law, according to an ex-Navy colleague who had been stationed in Bahrain.) This is in stark contrast to the very real racism being perpetrated by Arab Muslims against black Christians and practicioners of animist religion in Chad and the Sudan. For all Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton’s talk about white racism, they ought to address the issue of Muslim and Arab racism. The only places on earth right now where blacks are being massacred is in Africa, by Muslims in Nigeria, Sudan, and other places. ---
**Author:** ![PaulFitzroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2acd7d/32.png) [@PaulFitzroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulFitzroy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/55 "2004-07-22T00:32:50Z")
And for all you cite-mongers, here: [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=39201](http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39201) [http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/insudan11.htm](http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/insudan11.htm) [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/darfur.htm](http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/darfur.htm) And a biased but content-rich site: [http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad/ArabRacismSlavery.html](http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad/ArabRacismSlavery.html) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/56 "2004-07-22T00:52:35Z")
> [@jfortun](#): > > I can’t recommend anything on history, but from a cultural/psychological perspective you should check out The Arab Mind by Raphael Patai. I was under the impression this book had been completely and thoroughly discredited. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/57 "2004-07-22T00:55:29Z")
Here’s a point that I’ve not seen brought up – regardless of what originally started the Arabic Muslim antisemitism, it seems to be fed now by local governments and media. In places like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Jordan the standard of living is often not very high for the average Ahmed on the street. In the USA, we hate Bush or Clinton and every 2-4 years we have a chance to change our elected representative. There is no Democracy like that in much of the middle east, and no Rush Limbaugh or Al Franken to spread lies and innuendo about the other side. Instead the Jews/Israel get blamed for a lot of stuff. I occasionally get emails from friends I made working in KSA that will “show me what the US Zionist media doesn’t want you to know”. So the Internet is spreading ignorance and hate faster than we can fight it here. If it’s not Israel it’s the USA. When the Egyptian Airlines flight went down there was no way a good Muslim could have killed those people, it must have been Mossad. 9/11? No way 19 good Saudi boys did that, it must have been Israel? Did you know that no Jews died in the WTC? It goes on and on like that. In the absence of multiple forms of media input and having a healthy distrust of US based media (which is generally true for a lot of the world), these borderline sources gain credence. This is perhaps the gasoline on the fire of fanaticism that has much earlier roots. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/58 "2004-07-22T01:01:37Z")
**PaulFitzroy** wrote > [@](#): > > How can you call that racist? Ok, you’re technically accurate. Moshe Sharon, the writer who was quoted by **barbitu8** declared the sub-human nature of Islamic people, not Arabic people, so therefore it’s technically not racism. Doesn’t change the fact that it was severe malignment, and doesn’t change the more important fact that it was a lie. Further, I suspect it’s not hard to find Mr. Sharon making similar claims about Arabs or Palestinians or other races that have high-overlap with Muslims, and therefore I suspect I was accurate in declaring him racist. > [@](#): > > More racist than Islam, which historically dominated the trade in black slaves and to this day practices black slavery in Africa? a) historically, Muslims were no more guilty than any other mainstream religion (which doesn’t make them right, but refutes your claim of “dominance”) b) I have no idea what you’re claiming here. Do you mean the Islamic religion approves of slavery? Surely you know that’s false. Do you mean that members of the religion do it? Surely you know that it’s a miniscule percentage that do, and surely you know that a miniscule number of other religions do as well, and no rational person would claim “to this day they practise black slavery”. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076/59 "2004-07-22T01:27:37Z")
**Jodi**. Sorry I had to close it. I hope you got the info you asked for, and I think you did. To those of you who came in AFTER I SPECIFICALLY WARNED OTHERS EARLIER FOR POSTING PERSONAL INSULTS AND FOR DEBATING THINGS THAT WERE NOT A PART OF THE OP, you need to learn some manners and to reread your user agreement. This was GQ. If you needed to pick a fight, take it to GD or The Pit. **PaulFitzroy**. Take a lesson from **Tamerlane** and **tomndebb**. Notice how they can give information which is usually backed up by very reliable sources. And, they can criticize someone else’s info WITHOUT insulting the poster. You seemed to have precipitated the hijack of this thread into something that it wasn’t meant to be. Don’t do that again. Start a new thread if you feel the need. If anyone feels the need to continue the rancor parts, start a thread somewhere else. **samclem** GQ moderator. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/over-generalizing-but-why-do-muslims-hate-jews/256076.md?page=2)