Own fecal matter dangerous?

I think, absolutely, that’s part of the reason. You are right - the size of the infecting bolus is important. But, there are other factors. For example, all of us, every time (or at least many of the times) we brush our teeth or have a bowel movement, introduce bacteria into the bloodstream. If that happens enough times in someone who, for example, has an irregular surface on their heart valve (maybe an old scar or just an area of wear and tear), the bacteria can take up residence and begin to multiply there.

Even more likely is a scenario where fecal bacteria find their way into the bladder; after all it’s not a long journey from the anus to the urinary tract, especially in women. Combine that with incomplete or infrequent emptying of the bladder and, again, you’ve got a situation where the bacteria begin to multiply wildly. The next step is they can invade through the bladder wall into the bloodstream, or travel up toward the kidneys, and invade from there. In either case, the result can be a large load of bacteria in the blood. (Interestingly, it is the body’s immune response to their presence as much as anything, that then causes much of the trouble - the inflammatory response can lead to things such as low blood pressure and “circulatory failure”, i.e. shock).

Is coprophagia dangerous?

Haven’t you heard the ancient saying: “Eat shit and die”?

Speaking of which, an article by Michael Pollan in yesterday’s New York Times Sunday magazine* mentions that a small amount of fecal matter aerosolizes every time you flush the toilet, so it’s best to keep your toothbrush at least six feet away. :eek:

If you buy into the theories expounded in that article, the major problem with one’s own fecal matter (if one is a “typical Westerner”) is that it does not host a properly diverse microbial flora. Indeed, the virtues of expanding that flora by gardening, composting, eating fermented and extra plant-based foods and handling icky animals is emphasized.

*I recommend not reading this article while eating. Even though I am a pathologist and difficult to gross out, it made me the slightest bit queasy at times.

9 out of 10 doctors recommend eating one’s own shit for their patients who eat shit.

Google G G Allin. At your own risk. Not safe for work or any other place.

Written descriptions of what the man did gross me out. I ain’t never looking at the videos.

Unless, of course, you need a fecal transplant; in which case choose your donor carefully. Very carefully.

Wasn’t there an Indian Prime Minister who drank daily doses of his own urine? The guy lived into his 90’s, so the practice didn’t kill him.

And it made celibacy that much easier.

So many angles to address:

Your own fecal matter is not dangerous on average; nor is the fecal matter of most other individuals.

The pathogenicity of orally-ingested organisms typically depends on the nature of the organism itself, along with the quantity. It doesn’t depend on whether the source was stool or contaminated food or drink.

Most ingested bacterial gut pathogens produce illness not related to bacteremias (getting into the bloodstream), but to effects of the the pathogens multiplying in the gut itself and secondary effects of toxins produced by the pathogens. Bacteria which get out into the bloodstream from the gut typically get there by a defect somewhere in the intestinal lumen (especially in the large intestine and especially near the exit point); and also from the oral cavity which has natural entrance points because of the teeth, exacerbated by mechanical events such as chewing and brushing, and local perturbations in the mouth such as gum disease or abscesses.

As a rule of thumb, typical gut-entry bacteremias (we pretty much only call it a bacteremia if we can culture the offender from your blood) are organisms which are benign in the gut but bad in the bloodstream. Among other problems, they can find a secret place to live (say, an abnormal heart valve or some other place where the endothelium is roughened) and once they gain a foothold inside the body, cause problems. The most common of these organisms are your own, to which you are exposed all the time; at a microscopic level we all get bacteria in our bloodstream with our own organisms every day when we brush our teeth or poop. It doesn’t make any sense to call your stool dangerous. What’s dangerous is a crappy lumen, or an anus abused by hard stools or hard…whatever.

Among the most stupid things we do as a culture (no pun intended) and as clinicians is get too hung up on coliforms. They are everywhere, and what prevents them from giving us trouble is not bleach but host defense. While it is possible that host defense could get overwhelmed by eating a whole plateful of crap, it’s an exaggeration to say fecal matter per se is “dangerous.”

What about pathogenic bacteria, then? Well; they are dangerous (and particularly so to a naive host), which is why they are called pathogens. And those pathogens are the real reason to have modern sanitation and hand washing–both of which tend to prevent unrestricted spread of fecal-oral illnesses.

Interestingly, it turns out slightly filthy people probably have more robust immune systems than ocd-level bleachers. So keep your hands washed and fist-bump for the most part, but periodically reach out and touch the homeless guy under the bridge.

Who you callin’ a “naive host”? :mad:

My wife the bleach queen, for one.

New World original peoples, for another.

One theory is the Europeans bumped more of them off with disease than with steel.

But you know that… :wink:

I liked Chief Pedant’s reply; it seemed to make the most sense. I am OCD, so I worry about stuff like this: contaminating other things.

I hitched my briefs up in my doctor’s office; the briefs normally have some skid mark poop stains on them which I might have come in contact with about an hour prior, after having to drop my drawers for another reason. Then at the doctor’s office I used a pen connected to another patient’s chart by accident and now I’m worried that I contaminated that patient’s chart and pen with some poop germ because I touched those poop stained briefs. Anything dangerous, or is this just normal everyday low-risk germ transmission ?

Yes it’s just normal everyday low-risk germ transmission.

QtM, MD

I remember that story. I think it was a senior diplomat, though, maybe the Foreign Minister, but not the PM. The story also goes that he once offered a visiting foreign delegation “a drink” and, knowing his personal habits, they all hastily declined - but he had not intended to offer them his own pee.